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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Such a code of ethics for government employees, in their off-time, as long as they are not representing their agency, would fail the constitutional litmus test. Just because it's in the handbook doesn't make it legal.
    Tell Xerox and others:

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    You should assess the following criteria
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    1. Common sense. Generally speaking,
    the appropriateness of a practice or
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    2. Public scrutiny. Take the public scrutiny
    test: If you wouldn’t want to read about
    your action on the front page of your
    local newspaper, don’t do it.

    3. Company Policy. Does the action
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    4. Core Values. Does it align with our
    Core Values?
    5. When in doubt, ask! Your manager,
    Human Resources and the Ethics Office
    and Helpline are available to help you
    do the right thing. See the Resources
    section for additional information.
    http://www.xerox.com/downloads/usa/e...eeHandbook.pdf

    Not sure it's that cut-and-dried.
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He has the right to free speech. His employers has the right to fire him if they don't like what he is saying. There is no such thing as a right to a job.

    Is that so...Amazing! In one statement you have contradicted decades of liberal talking points.


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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    Even the likes of the Pope :

    Pope to tell British MPs to show more respect for the rights of Christians - Worldnews.com



    No such handicaps for Muslims, though the burka has been questioned.
    Bin Laden puts out a fatwa, and the British won't be able bow and scrape fast enough to suit the Muslims.
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If he's bound by a Code of Ethics that says he can't participate in demonstrations/whatever, he's toast. "Morals Clauses" and the like are perfectly legal. Totally depends how it's worded. And whether or not it's part of the Employee Handbook.
    Was he doing it on his own time as a private citizen?
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Tell Xerox and others:



    http://www.xerox.com/downloads/usa/e...eeHandbook.pdf

    Not sure it's that cut-and-dried.
    Was he ashamed of his free speech rights? Probably not. If he had burned Bible pages, think we'd have a newspaper article or a forum thread?
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Was he ashamed of his free speech rights? Probably not. If he had burned Bible pages, think we'd have a newspaper article or a forum thread?
    What if a Church employee was burning Bibles?

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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What if a Church employee was burning Bibles?
    It would be in the news....Which I think was the point....


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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It would be in the news....Which I think was the point....


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    Yeah you are right it would be in the news. Do you think they person should be canned? What is the person was a janitor or minister does it make any difference?

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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I agree he was wronged but in a court case it will either depend on how good the employee hand book spelled out the rule under which he was fired or in whether he can convince a jury he was wronged.

    I think he has a chance because the Country will for the most part think the first Amendment out weighs the Co. rules. Besides if it's like California and it doesn't require all 12 in the jury for a fining in a civil case. so he has a chance.

    We're for the most part tired of the claims of Tolerance in favor of Muslims and to hell with Christians.
    NJ transit sounds like a government type facility. In that case, they cannot fire him for exercising his rights. And I would say even in private sector, he'd stand a good chance of wrongful termination. I don't think people should lose their income over the exercise of rights.
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yeah you are right it would be in the news. Do you think they person should be canned? What is the person was a janitor or minister does it make any difference?

    Well, Winston, with all due respect you are asking a hypothetical that I don't think has a standard answer for all people, that said, I guess it would depend on the Church or Temple, or Mosque that employed her, or him in the end, and why they fired them, if they indeed did. That doesn't mean that the action wouldn't go without challenge should someone be let go in that situation. And, it also depends on too many other factors to answer accurately.

    What I think doesn't matter, only what the employer does.


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