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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Ok, something's bugging me....It probably won't make any difference about how anyone feels about the guy..still

    I know I heard this guy (or figured it was same guy) on TV talking about the specific pages he tore out and set fire to. They were violent pages talking of killing etc.

    I can find nothing on this, just that he burned the Quran or that he ripped pages from the Koran and burned them.
    If he ripped only certain pages out to burn, doesn't anyone think that would be a tiny bit newsworthy? Just askin'....
    To be honest, why would it matter? He is still burning the koran either way.
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    To be honest, why would it matter? He is still burning the koran either way.
    Maybe I thought it mind change the perspective of some of those who would call him an Islamophobe. He seemed to have respect for some of the Quran, just not the parts that wanted him dead.
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Maybe I thought it mind change the perspective of some of those who would call him an Islamophobe. He seemed to have respect for some of the Quran, just not the parts that wanted him dead.
    You burn part of a holy book, you basically are burning it all. Would you find any difference of someone burning only parts of the Bible?
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    You burn part of a holy book, you basically are burning it all. Would you find any difference of someone burning only parts of the Bible?
    Well yes. It would seem there might be some room for dialogue.
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Well yes. It would seem there might be some room for dialogue.
    Well, I would think that dialogue would happen before one resorts to burning something, but I guess it is a little more nuanced than just burning the whole book.
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Ok, something's bugging me....It probably won't make any difference about how anyone feels about the guy..still

    I know I heard this guy (or figured it was same guy) on TV talking about the specific pages he tore out and set fire to. They were violent pages talking of killing etc.

    I can find nothing on this, just that he burned the Quran or that he ripped pages from the Koran and burned them.
    If he ripped only certain pages out to burn, doesn't anyone think that would be a tiny bit newsworthy? Just askin'....
    Why should a book burning be news worthy anyways?
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I hope he sues the everlovin **** out them for this.
    The guy was an idiot for burning the koran. It's a meaningless gesture, and he had to know it wasn't going to go over well with people.

    That said, he absolutely has the right to do it. And although his firing was probably legal, it's still wrong. Hopefully he sues and wins.
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    I would like to see him win a suit and get his job back. I've done some idiot things in my day. Getting a second chance is really a good thing. Possibly an apology might be in order.

    His free speech problem is that actions speak louder than words, yet are not words, thus are not speech.

    There's a whole lot of information about this man and his employment that we will never hear about. Surely there are Muslims that work where he does. You cannot expect the Muslim co-workers to want to be around this guy at work. That could very well cause tensions and problems that would be detrimental to the smooth operation of the organization.

    I'd like to see him reinstated. There's such a thing as getting caught up in the moment. At least he's famous now. If they don't reinstate him, there will be plenty of employers that would hire him simply for what he did do.

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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    For every ones Information: Military burns Bibles sent to troops in Afghanistan. Now that is the US Military

    This story is from last year and and for the life of me I don't for the life of me remember anyone raising hell about it or hearing about some Pastor issuing a call to have the General in charge in Afghanistan killed in some kind of Christian Jihad.

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    May 20th, 2009 4:44 pm ET

    A story hit the media today, stating that the U.S. Military made a choice to burn Bibles sent to soldiers on base in Afghanistan. The military has a policy that unsolicited religious materials are not allowed to be sent or distributed by military personnel. Central Command General Order No. 1 specifically forbids “proselytizing of any faith, religion or practice” and is to be strongly enforced in sectors which are predominantly Muslim, for fear such material distribution will be taken as an attempt on behalf of the U.S. to proselytize and convert the local people. If such actions were perceived in this manner, the military says it could jeopardize the safety of their mission and cause possible harm to come to the soldiers on base as well as the local Muslims who might show interest in another religion.

    Afghanistan is a devout Muslim nation. Although there are various Christian organizations that support professional career missionaries in the field, most missionary efforts in the area are not publicized or promoted, for safety reasons. The Bibles that were sent to a Sgt. James Watt on base in Bargram, Afghanistan were a rare find due to the fact that they were written in Pashto and Dari, the predominant languages in that particular region. The church that sent the Bibles saved and held fundraisers in order to afford the cost of the Bibles and shipping. Instead of sending the Bibles back to the church the military officials chose to burn the Bibles, stating that if they sent the Bibles back to the church they feared the church would turn around and send them to another organization within Afghanistan.
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I hope he sues the everlovin **** out them for this.
    "Mr. Fenton's public actions violated New Jersey Transit's code of ethics," an agency statement said. "NJ Transit concluded that Mr. Fenton violated his trust as a state employee and therefore [he] was dismissed." Read more: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit
    Couldn't find the Code of Ethics on line, but interesting. Stupid move on his part, if true.
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