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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    His job is to perform a service to the public, when you excersise your freedom of speech it does not mean you will not have any consequences from it. You can lose friends, business or your job. You will not be thrown in jail, be arrested, or have your property confiscated by the government because of it
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    That's not how free speech works. It's like saying that someone is free to criticize the government, but they'll just have to do it from a jail cell.

    A right that is unduly burdened isn't a right at all.
    He was not thrown in jail now was he?

    Freedom of speech does not prevent you from losing friends from being a moron, or having people boycott your business or stop your employer from deciding he/she does not want you working for them anymore

    It means the government will not arrest you, fine you, or confiscate your property when you exercise your freedome of speech
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    He was not thrown in jail now was he?

    Freedom of speech does not prevent you from losing friends from being a moron, or having people boycott your business or stop your employer from deciding he/she does not want you working for them anymore

    It means the government will not arrest you, fine you, or confiscate your property when you exercise your freedome of speech
    But the government fired him. Thats the issue.
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

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    But the government fired him. Thats the issue.
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    He was not thrown in jail now was he?

    Freedom of speech does not prevent you from losing friends from being a moron, or having people boycott your business or stop your employer from deciding he/she does not want you working for them anymore

    It means the government will not arrest you, fine you, or confiscate your property when you exercise your freedome of speech
    You're missing the point and misstating the law.

    It is absolutely indisputable that the first amendment protects government employees from being fired for a wide swath of protected speech. This is long-settled. You can keep on arguing that because he's not being put in jail it's not punishment, but the courts have unanimously disagreed.

    The only thing that's at issue here is whether or not this particular speech is protected. If you would read the links I provided above, I think you'd conclude that it's likely protected speech.
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    I don't see the problem. No one infringed on his right to free speech. He doesn't have a right to work for NJTransit, and I don't see what's wrong with an organization not wanting to be represented by someone who is not only a bigot, but a high profile one who appeared in the media. I wouldn't want someone like that working for my business and alienating customers.

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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I don't see the problem. No one infringed on his right to free speech. He doesn't have a right to work for NJTransit, and I don't see what's wrong with an organization not wanting to be represented by someone who is not only a bigot, but a high profile one who appeared in the media. I wouldn't want someone like that working for my business and alienating customers.
    It's run by the government though, and they can't fire him for this. If it was a private company this would be okay, but it's not, so he certainly has a beef with his former employer.
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I don't see the problem. No one infringed on his right to free speech. He doesn't have a right to work for NJTransit, and I don't see what's wrong with an organization not wanting to be represented by someone who is not only a bigot, but a high profile one who appeared in the media. I wouldn't want someone like that working for my business and alienating customers.
    Unless you want to argue that every single government employee represents the government 24/7, this guy was not there representing NJTransit.

    Step away from this situation and imagine what would happen if the position you're arguing for were actually the law. Imagine if GWB had decreed that anyone employed by the federal government in any capacity would be fired if they ever objected to any administration policies in public. Under your theory, because no one has a right to work for the government, that decree would not violate anyone's first amendment rights. That's clearly not how the first amendment was designed to work.
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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I hope he sues the everlovin **** out them for this.
    Yup... those ****ers are about to go broke.

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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I hope he sues the everlovin **** out them for this.
    My reaction reading the headline was, "Oh, I smell a court case."

    Code-of-Ethics? My, I wish we had that level of ethical consideration when Clinton broke the law, lied in court under oath in an attempt to deny someone their day in court. Perhaps the NY Transit Authority should have been responsible for his case in Congress.

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