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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're totally missing the point, dude. If the government can fire a civil service employee, for excercising his right to free speech, today; then the government can throw someone in jail for the same offense, tomorrow.
    That's the slippery slope free speech rides upon. If free speech is restricted too much, it results in censorship and tyranny. But if it isn't restricted at all it can result in anarchy, a return to the state of nature, and a life that Hobbes described in Leviathan as “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.” Finding a happy medium on the slippery slope is always going to be tricky.

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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I don't know. But people have probably been held in contempt of court for not swearing on the bible or taking an oath that said, "so help me God". But these days courts don't use swearing on the bible oaths much anymore. But then that isn't what I responded to when you were playing devils advocate.

    Zilch about conduct outside the workplace.
    New Jersey Transit

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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Zilch about conduct outside the workplace.
    New Jersey Transit
    That's for venders.

    Was he a vender or employee?

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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    That's the slippery slope free speech rides upon. If free speech is restricted too much, it results in censorship and tyranny. But if it isn't restricted at all it can result in anarchy, a return to the state of nature, and a life that Hobbes described in Leviathan as “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.” Finding a happy medium on the slippery slope is always going to be tricky.
    There's no slippery slope. It's still the 1st Amendment. We all know damn-good-n-well, that is a government employee, be it local, state, or Federal, displayed, on public property, the Ten Commandments, that people would have a ****-fit about it; the same people that say this cat isn't protected by the 1st Amendment. Ironic, eh?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    That's for venders.

    Was he a vender or employee?
    Well, dammit....I can't seem to find jack. If you can find something, please post it.

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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Well, dammit....I can't seem to find jack. If you can find something, please post it.

    I looked, but can't find anything.

    I'm sure the exact working will be made public soon enough.

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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's no slippery slope. It's still the 1st Amendment. We all know damn-good-n-well, that is a government employee, be it local, state, or Federal, displayed, on public property, the Ten Commandments, that people would have a ****-fit about it; the same people that say this cat isn't protected by the 1st Amendment. Ironic, eh?
    Who said he wasn't protected by the first amendment? Thank God for the left leaning ACLU, eh? And yes, free speech is on a slippery slope since it can have restrictions imposed if the free speech causes harm. Likewise, free speech can be abused if there are no restrictions at all. That's why we have courts to decide these matters.

    You whine when the government doesn't allow a display of the ten commandments on public property and whine for it to protect hate speech. Yes, how ironic.

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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Well, dammit....I can't seem to find jack. If you can find something, please post it.
    http://www.state.nj.us/ethics/docs/e...niformcode.pdf

    Thank you, Moot.

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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    4. No State officer or employee or special State officer or employee should knowingly act in any way that might reasonably be expected to create an impression or suspicion among the public having knowledge of his/her acts that he/she may be engaged in conduct violative of his trust as a State officer or employee or special State officer or employee.
    Like said, if he didn't get his picture taken, his name and occupation in the paper... But, there it is.

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    Re: Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Like said, if he didn't get his picture taken, his name and occupation in the paper... But, there it is.
    Fenton needs a good lawyer. The best money can buy

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