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O'Donnell wins Delaware

Are you not voting then? I only ask Dav, because it sure sounds like you are lining up against O'Donnell even though the RSCC is now behind her.

j-mac

PS, Wait, you're from VA. You can't vote for her. So then your larger point is that we must be more like liberals to get elected in Blue States?

I think his point is its better to have a majority, even if enough of that majority doesn't vote in line with the parties views 30-40% of the time that it could cause problems, is better than not having a majority and thus running moderate republicans rather than solid republicans in blue states where there's a decent shot of winning said state that way.

My issue is...that's the exact strategy we were doing for the past decade which happened to be the time I've been most unhappy with how Republicans in power have acted and been, so I'm not exactly keen on it. I'm willing to detox in hopes of being fully healthy rather than just continue to feed the addiction in hopes of not having any extremely bad days but realizing there's not going to be really any good days either. The latter is Dav's preference.
 
I think his point is its better to have a majority, even if enough of that majority doesn't vote in line with the parties views 30-40% of the time that it could cause problems, is better than not having a majority and thus running moderate republicans rather than solid republicans in blue states where there's a decent shot of winning said state that way.

My issue is...that's the exact strategy we were doing for the past decade which happened to be the time I've been most unhappy with how Republicans in power have acted and been, so I'm not exactly keen on it. I'm willing to detox in hopes of being fully healthy rather than just continue to feed the addiction in hopes of not having any extremely bad days but realizing there's not going to be really any good days either. The latter is Dav's preference.

That's a pretty odd and irrelevant comparison, there.

Your problem, I think, is assuming that the GOP should have one single strategy everywhere. It's great that they are knocking off establishment incumbents in favor of more conservative challengers, as they've been doing in Utah and Alaska and Florida and even Pennsylvania. But it's foolish to think that this is a good idea everywhere; just because Florida will vote for a Marco Rubio doesn't mean Delaware will. And if this strategy had been applied to Massachussetts back in January, Scott Brown (a moderate) would never have won, and that whole debacle would never have happened. So just because Republicans should act differently than they have for the last 10 years doesn't mean that acknowledging basic political facts was what went wrong with them.

If I'm going to vote based on principle, I'm going to cast the vote that will make the officeholer someone with principles closest to mine. In Delaware, that would have meant voting for Castle, because the alternative would be to vote for the Democrat to win. Frankly, I could see why I might vote for O'Donnell there if I saw Castle and Coons as being almost exactly the same... but there is a huge difference between them.

There's also the fact that if conservatives are going to nominate a Tea Party candidate, especially in a purple or blue state where it's a risky proposition, they should make sure it's a good Tea Party candidate... which O'Donnell is not. It's bad enough what's happening with Angle in Nevada, and Nevada is significantly less blue than Delaware. And as far as I can tell, Castle is a fairly principled moderate, more Scott Brown-esque than Arlen Specter-esque. If Scott Brown can be considered a "Tea Party" candidate, I don't see why Castle can't be, especially since many conservative complaints about him (his stances on abortion, gun rights, Bush's conduct during the Iraq War) have little or nothing to do with what the Tea Party supposedly stands for.
 
I haven't been really closely following this race but being originally from Delaware it has been of some interest. I so not know what Castle stands for but have heard that he voted in favor of a bill that forwarded the impeachment of President Bush to the judiciary committee and is for Cap and Trade. Either issue makes him someone I would find it impossible to vote for under any circumstances. I know O'Donnell stands for Tea Party principles in general, the most significant of which is to restore some integrity to the political process. I am not voting in Delaware but would vote for O'Donnell on this issue alone as neither party seems to think it important.

Now, for those Republicans who have made post primary negative remarks about the duly elected candidate of their party in Delaware, they are not Republicans and should be sent back to the RINO mud bog where they belong. THEY are what is wrong with the political process. Their unbelievable arrogance and obvious spite toward the will of the people is disgraceful, and they should be removed from any position of influence in the Republican Party immediately and without compromise. Those characteristics are quite coveted in the Democrat party. Perhaps they can find a place there.
 
Her face has got SILF potential... What's going on downstairs?:cheers:

(let's see who casts the first stone my way)
 
Her face has got SILF potential... What's going on downstairs?:cheers:

(let's see who casts the first stone my way)
*stone incoming*
Wait, you think her face looks like a sandwich?

:confused:
 
Her face has got SILF potential... What's going on downstairs?:cheers:

(let's see who casts the first stone my way)

You use an inordinate number of sexualized terms in order to criticize and demean female politicians.

Why is that?
 
as always, it's a question of character
 
You use an inordinate number of sexualized terms in order to criticize and demean female politicians.

Why is that?

I'm pretty sure that was a compliment... and normal, healthy curiosity.

She's always hiding behind a podium... Why is that?

Oh, wait... You think we should take her seriously??:2funny:





Karl Rove was right, this is one nutty chick...
 
Really? I don't think it'd be THAT shocking really. Look at a few things...

First, the overall attitude of the country was far more on the anti-republican side of things than the anti-democrat side I think it'd be relatively accurate to say is the majority currently. Throw in on top of that a whole heap load of generalized anti-incumbant feeling.

Second, it was a Presidential Election year where you had an extremely popular Democratic candidate running that drove record turnout of a large amount of groups that traditionally vote democratic.

Third, she was running against the guy that was set to be VP on the ticket with said extremely popular Dem. candidate.

Fourth, she was running against a long time incumbant who was well entrenched in the state.

Would a 20 point swing be difficult? Definitely. But there are numerous reasonable factors to suggest that a large swing is definitely at least possible

What you are failing to take into consideration is that she is not a reasonable candidate. She is a total whackjob.
 
I'm pretty sure that was a compliment... and normal, healthy curiosity.

Saying you'd like to **** someone is a compliment? I wonder how many women would be pleased to hear some random man refer to them in such a fashion.

Again, you tend to make sexualized comments about female politicians far more frequently than anyone else here, whether it's talking about how you'd like to **** them, how they just need a dick shoved down their throat, or just off-hand comments about their appearances. Why is that? Don't you think that's degrading and demeaning?
 
What you are failing to take into consideration is that she is not a reasonable candidate. She is a total whackjob.

A "whackjob" that still got 35% of the votes with all those factors in the quoted post being at play, making it completely reasonable to suggest there's a reasonable plausibility that she could make up the 20 points needed in 2010 compared to 2008.

Unless you're suggesting in 2008 she wasn't a whackjob but she magically became one since then.
 
A "whackjob" that still got 35% of the votes with all those factors in the quoted post being at play, making it completely reasonable to suggest there's a reasonable plausibility that she could make up the 20 points needed in 2010 compared to 2008.

Unless you're suggesting in 2008 she wasn't a whackjob but she magically became one since then.

Um, why do you keep saying "20 points"? Last I checked, 50 - 35 = 15.
 
Um, why do you keep saying "20 points"? Last I checked, 50 - 35 = 15.

Because the original post I was responding to was talking about it being difficult to imagine her managing a 20% change. I've just been going with his comment. Yes all she'd really need is a 15-16% shift
 
Saying you'd like to **** someone is a compliment? I wonder how many women would be pleased to hear some random man refer to them in such a fashion.

"Men find me desirable" - yeah, they hate that.:roll::roll:

Also, to be clear, I only said her face works for me, in a chubby-heeked Blair from Facts of Life kinda way... I still need to check out the full package.

Again, you tend to make sexualized comments about two, maybe three if you include that twit Bachmannfemale politicians far more frequently than anyone else here, whether it's talking about how you'd like to **** them, how they just need a dick shoved down their throat, or just off-hand comments about their appearances. Why is that? Don't you think that's degrading and demeaning?

Corrected for accuracy.

Here's what I think:

With so many brilliant and accomplished women in powerful public office positions today, it's disturbing that 3 women (Palin, Bachmann, and this new chick) get so much media attention. They are, IMO, women of very low character, intelligence, and excel at dumbing things down. They represent the worst kind of women, under-qualified overly-ambitious climbers, who want power for all the wrong reasons. Every time they open their mouths, they set women back.

My favorite bosses have been women. They were smart, decisive, and got the respect of everyone who work for them.

I'm sorry if my crass humor offends you. They offend me. D students with type A personalities = vindictive climbers-- the Peter Principle in politics.
 
"Men find me desirable" - yeah, they hate that.:roll::roll:

Walk up to 100 random women and say "Hi, I'd like to have sex with you," and then ask them whether they feel flattered or offended. I think you'd find that most women don't particularly enjoy being objectified by people they don't know.

Also, to be clear, I only said her face works for me, in a chubby-heeked Blair from Facts of Life kinda way... I still need to check out the full package.

Classy.

Here's what I think:

With so many brilliant and accomplished women in powerful public office positions today, it's disturbing that 3 women (Palin, Bachmann, and this new chick) get so much media attention. They are, IMO, women of very low character, intelligence, and excel at dumbing things down. They represent the worst kind of women, under-qualified overly-ambitious climbers, who want power for all the wrong reasons. Every time they open their mouths, they set women back.

So the proper way to register your objection to their poor character and lack of intelligence is to sexually objectify and degrade them. Yet you don't do the same for men who you find similarly objectionable - you're content to criticize them for their lack of character and intelligence.

My favorite bosses have been women. They were smart, decisive, and got the respect of everyone who work for them.

I'm sorry if my crass humor offends you. They offend me. D students with type A personalities = vindictive climbers-- the Peter Principle in politics.

It's not your crass humor that bothers me, it's the way you direct such specific attacks toward female politicians in particular.
 
Her face has got SILF potential... What's going on downstairs?:cheers:

(let's see who casts the first stone my way)

I am sorry, but this is filthy disgusting demeaning talk and in my opinion there is no reason to talk about anyone in this manner period. Please Stop!!!!

:failpail:
 
Not to mention that living in that area for 20 + years {Harford County MD} has become unrealistic thanks to demo policies of tax, tax, tax....Cost of living is out of control, and people can't afford to give their kids a reasonable start at success.

this is on reason we moved south....Best decision ever!


j-mac

There's areas that were ruined by conservative policies, like Colorado springs, where they're cutting back street lights and police because no one will raise taxes
 
Saying you'd like to **** someone is a compliment? I wonder how many women would be pleased to hear some random man refer to them in such a fashion.

Again, you tend to make sexualized comments about female politicians far more frequently than anyone else here, whether it's talking about how you'd like to **** them, how they just need a dick shoved down their throat, or just off-hand comments about their appearances. Why is that? Don't you think that's degrading and demeaning?

Don't you know, liberals are free to sexualize and demean females. Because after all, they are only trying to HELP women.
 
Well if the Democrats run a race like Martha Coakley did in MA, they could well lose it. Hopefully, they have learned their lesson and don't assume they have it won.

Well, your side is running another Marxist, and Marxists aren't doing well this year. They aren't popular, including Obama the ROTFLOL... Uniter.

Here's a beauty. I'm sure Dems weren't going to spend too much had Castle won (good riddance), now they are in a fight... a huge one, Dems will have to spend because O'Donnell will have pretty full coffers as this race has national attention now.

It's a new day, politics as usual doesn't count.
I'm going to start an O'Donnell tracking thread in Polls. Ought to be tremendous fun.

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Yeesh. Talk about hoisted on your own pitard.

It's just so illogical it's staggering. If the GOP wins 9 and not the 10 Senate seats they need for a majority now, O'Donnell voters will be to blame. They voted for a losing candidate, knowing she would lose, over someone who would almost certainly win, because the latter was a moderate and as we all know those are just lefties in disguise.

I had thought that the whole Scott Brown thing had proven that conservative activists were willing to work with moderates where they needed to... guess I was wrong.

I was watching the news when Scott Brown won, and some pro life group got really excited and dropped a gift basket off for him at the office... lol.. They thought he was pro life, just because he was on the Republican ticket.
 
So social conservatives and evangelical Christians should have no representation in government?

Of course, but the party doesn't seem to be very open to other religions and non religious people... A lot of people who aren't Evangelic don't like hearing the likes of Bush and Palin go on and on, how it's more their country than anybody else's... and other people in the party saying, the laws should be based on OUR religious tenants and morals

:vomit:

The government isn't based on morals, it's based on freedom and individual rights laid out in the Constitution

I know most Muslims voted repub when Bush was running, but after the smear on Muslims and Barack Hussein Obama, and now all this Mosque bs (which btw they constitutionally have the right to build).. you can bet on losing their votes in the future
 
I want to know where he stands. Look, all this BS that repubs have to be more like demo's in order to win is just that, pure BS. American's see what destruction demo's have done while in power, and now you're gonna see real change. Not just switching of the seats mind you buy an accountability of promises.


j-mac

I don't think anything is going to change... I think both parties are going to engage in their typical bs... blame the other party. Both parities will continue to run up the debt and ignore the constitution, whilst accusing the other of trampling it... deficits will continue to rise. Ron Paul will never be elected, because neo cons are still in the republican party and you guys are blatantly blind to it. No offense, but most of TP'ers probably voted for Bush two times in a row, and said "he kept us safe" and probably thought the constitutional ban he promised for gay marriage sounded great at the time.

The fact is dems don't think they are destroying anything. You do, but they don't.. and they think repubs are destroying everything. Everybody is going to vote the same.

Yes a lot of people are dependent on the government, but the republicans aren't doing anything legit about it- when they are just shouting that people on unemployment are lazy.. They really aren't lazy the economy is ****. Or when the Republicans think people on welfare and food stamps have the skills to ****ing actually get a job that will support their families when they are kicked off. They don't have skills, so they will come back for welfare as soon as they can.

Local communities need to be restructured and the importance we place on federal government needs to be revised before anything really changes.. or nobody is going to be happy.

And you Evangelicals need to learn how to stop running other people's lives through the federal government.. worry about your own community. You're a MAJOR part of the problem.
 
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Republicans have just been sent another message. I wonder how lonl before they learn that the days RINOs are numbered.

This is another step toward Restoration of our Nation. I believe the Founding Fathers would be pleased but cautious not to get too cocky. Yet.

I bet the founding fathers would be shocked and horrified that a woman was seeking office at all.
 
A "whackjob" that still got 35% of the votes with all those factors in the quoted post being at play, making it completely reasonable to suggest there's a reasonable plausibility that she could make up the 20 points needed in 2010 compared to 2008.

Unless you're suggesting in 2008 she wasn't a whackjob but she magically became one since then.


Its not difficult for a whackjob to get 35%. Hell, there are still 27% of people who think that GWB was a good President.
 
Its not difficult for a whackjob to get 35%. Hell, there are still 27% of people who think that GWB was a good President.

Right, but the "Whackjob" got 35% in an election year with a popular democrat running, when there strong sentiment against her party, running against a long standing encumbant, who also happened to be a VP candidate. ALL of those factors work AGAINST her.

Its reasonable to suggest that when there is no Presidential election this year, stronger sentiment against the Democrats this time, strong anti-encumbant sentiment, and running against a fellow non-incumbant who isn't a VP candidate that there's legitimate reason to believe she should be able to get more than she did 2 years ago.
 
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