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    Re: Delaware Senate Race: A Kamikaze Republican and the Tea Party

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Keep under estimating the tea party and the public dissatisfaction with Obama and democrats. I will watch as both parties look silly.
    Speaking only for Delaware, there's no way a tea party candidate is going to be elected. They elected this "Dem-lite" as many people are calling him for a reason, and that reason is that his polices are in line with what they want to see in a politican. There's no way people are going to change that much, that fast, and elect someone almost totally opposed to everything they want.

    He might as well be running as the Communist candidate.

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    Re: Delaware Senate Race: A Kamikaze Republican and the Tea Party

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Keep under estimating the tea party and the public dissatisfaction with Obama and democrats. I will watch as both parties look silly.
    I am not underestimating the tea party, I am realistic.
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    Re: Delaware Senate Race: A Kamikaze Republican and the Tea Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    He "left his Party"? Revisionist much? His party threw him out because he "worked with REPUBLICANS"
    Its not important if he left or they booted him or if it was a combination of both, the important thing is that he was loyal to the people who elected him not some national party telling him what to make his electors think and pushing a national message that designed at a national rather than local level.

    And the Dems were wrong in booting him. I'm not a Dem or a Rep so catching me with guilt by association isn't going to work, I have the luxury of being separate from all political parties.

    I honestly can't remember if he was booted or left but now that I think about it, its probably more accurate to say he was booted.

    The problem I have with both the Lieberman case and this O'Donnely thing is that you have a national group telling their members what their stances on issues should be and punishing them and holding them hostage with money, endorsements, etc. Both the Dems and Reps, as a national party, are more concerned with their candidates and members in office supporting a national plan and conspiring which each other to make sure the PARTY does well, not the nation and NOT the voters. An elected official should be elected with views based on those who elected him, and they will never fall neatly into two categories, not elected because the national party refused to support him because his views, which in the case of Delaware are the PEOPLE's views, don't match with theirs. Its especially asinine because they are punishing him by possibly supporting a candidate, O'Donnell, who has NO chance of winning. But they don't mind because they want loyal members and sameness because its easier to control, they want their members to be responsive to the PARTY not the PEOPLE.

    Let the PEOPLE decide what their representatives say, thats why its called a representative, the purpose of a Senator or Representative is to speak for the PEOPLE in his/her district or state, NOT THE PARTY.

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    Re: Delaware Senate Race: A Kamikaze Republican and the Tea Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    What's extreme about wanting Republicans that support Conservative Ideas?
    Nothing, in fact I'm fine with that. I'm glad Rubio and Miller and Lee and Rand Paul won their primaries. But the extreme part is to be so enamored with purism, you'd rather Democrats hold the Senate than nominate a single moderate. Worse yet are those who think "moderate" unambiguously means "liberal", and that a moderate Republican is somehow just as bad as a far-left Democrat, or even worse.

    The real extreme here is being happy with a Senator who votes for you 50% or so of the time. What ends up happening is those Senators stab you in the back on big issues.
    Whereas a Delaware Democrat would stab you in the back in every single issue.

    There's nothing extreme about being happy with the best you could possibly hope for. There's even less extreme about being happy with a moderate, but that's beside the point.

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    Re: Delaware Senate Race: A Kamikaze Republican and the Tea Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    He "left his Party"? Revisionist much? His party threw him out because he "worked with REPUBLICANS"
    he lost his primary and chose to become an independent.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Delaware Senate Race: A Kamikaze Republican and the Tea Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Nothing, in fact I'm fine with that. I'm glad Rubio and Miller and Lee and Rand Paul won their primaries. But the extreme part is to be so enamored with purism, you'd rather Democrats hold the Senate than nominate a single moderate. Worse yet are those who think "moderate" unambiguously means "liberal", and that a moderate Republican is somehow just as bad as a far-left Democrat, or even worse.



    Whereas a Delaware Democrat would stab you in the back in every single issue.

    There's nothing extreme about being happy with the best you could possibly hope for. There's even less extreme about being happy with a moderate, but that's beside the point.
    Dav, we're gonna have to realize that while our GOALS are much aligned, you are willing to settle for half-measures where as I don't see the point. I'd toss out Snowe and Collins from the Party tomorrow if it was in my power. It's not so much about "purity", it's about supporting Candidates that are, conservative, not kinda sometimes when it's convenient.
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    Re: Delaware Senate Race: A Kamikaze Republican and the Tea Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I hope she takes the race too. That makes it about 95 % sure democrats hold the seat.
    83%, according to the all-knowing Nate Silver: 2 Insurgents Could Hurt G.O.P. Chances for Senate Takeover - NYTimes.com

    Whereas Castle currently has a 95% chance against Coons.

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    Re: Delaware Senate Race: A Kamikaze Republican and the Tea Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Dav, we're gonna have to realize that while our GOALS are much aligned, you are willing to settle for half-measures where as I don't see the point.
    The point is that there are states where mega-conservatives can't win, won't win, and there's absolutely no point in running them. The goal for conservatives should be to try to get the most conservative canditate electable into office, and that means sometimes running moderates in liberal states/districts.

    For goodness sake, I'd like to see Obamacare repealed sometime in the coming future. Right now, ironically, conservatives are the ones trying to make that less possible. I really don't understand how people could vote for O'Donnell knowing that she almost certainly won't win, and Castle almost certainly would.

    I'd toss out Snowe and Collins from the Party tomorrow if it was in my power.
    I wouldn't. We need both of them, this is Maine we're talking about.

    It's not so much about "purity", it's about supporting Candidates that are, conservative, not kinda sometimes when it's convenient.
    Which is purity, by definition.

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    Re: Delaware Senate Race: A Kamikaze Republican and the Tea Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    "The Republican Party has lost its way," O'Donnell said. "They get behind candidates like my opponent who don't even support the Republican platform, who continue to support the Democrats' agenda, lock-step-and-barrel."

    "The Republican Party has lost its way," O'Donnell said. "They get behind candidates like my opponent who don't even support the Republican platform, who continue to support the Democrats' agenda, lock-step-and-barrel, while he should be supporting the Republicans' agenda, lock-step-and-barrel."

    That was the meaning I gathered out of his statement. God Forbid someone actually functions as a representative of his district and state, they've got a national party, preselected stances and beliefs to follow!!!

    Since when do you promote uniformity on a national level? Starting to sound a little communist to me, wanting everyone to be exactly the same and all... (That communist part is sarcasm) But seriously wouldn't you agree that a Representative or Senator should actually represent his state as opposed to following what a party leader somewhere, probably across the country, says?

    What if there was a democratic candidate who supported gun rights very strongly, or opposed abortion as many Southern Democrats do? And this candidate was being criticized by his own party for not following their doctrine strictly enough? Somehow I think you'd be arguing my position in that case.

    Double standard bro, not cool
    What ain't cool is the Party Chair of the state slagging O'Donnell.

    Castle is a 55% Republican who voted to investigate Bush on the Iraq was for lying. This being brought up by Libs. The follow-up was impeachment. Kucinich and the leftist nuts sponsored the bill and Cat-Skull signed on.

    His record isn't Republican-like and at a time we need to repeal the Obama Socialist Agenda, we do not need RINO's giving the incompetent cover.

    I am for a party that uses the Constitution as its base, it's platform, it's baseline. We won't agree on everything all the time, but we surely can do better than a Democrat in Republican's clothing.

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    Re: Delaware Senate Race: A Kamikaze Republican and the Tea Party

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Castle is a 55% Republican

    ...

    but we surely can do better than a Democrat in Republican's clothing.
    lol, so now someone who is "55% Republican" is a Democrat?

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