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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Sorry double post.....
    We the People of the United States,... provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare....
    Where did it ever say, promote for the common defence, and provide the general Welfare..... Please don't mix up the two....

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    I'm actually for gays in the military as well, Oscar. As you know I did not always hold this opinion. I was against it at first. If memory serves, it was you that actually changed my mind on this issue. Being a military law enorcement officer, I would think that "in the real world" of military police enforcement, you'd have a leg up, on Ole Redress in terms of credibility?

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the Congress is free to set whatever entry barriers it wishes for military service. flat feet and athsma, for example.

    what makes it unconstitutional?
    That is a RIDICULOUS comparison. Having flat feet and asthma are disabilities which do affect one's physical performance. Being gay is not a disability or condition which would affect one's own personal performance on a battle field. Seriously, did you just compare having asthma to being gay?
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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I'm actually for gays in the military as well, Oscar. As you know I did not always hold this opinion. I was against it at first. If memory serves, it was you that actually changed my mind on this issue. Being a military law enorcement officer, I would think that "in the real world" of military police enforcement, you'd have a leg up, on Ole Redress in terms of credibility?

    Just sayin..


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    actually, redress' assertions accurately express how things should be, if we lived in a perfect world free of prejudice. However, my comments more accurately reflect the reality of the situation.
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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    actually, redress' assertions accurately express how things should be, if we lived in a perfect world free of prejudice. However, my comments more accurately reflect the reality of the situation.
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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    yeah, in a perfect world. but we don't live in that world. Do you honestly believe that there is not "selective enforcement" of certain laws?

    two cars driving at the exact same speed down the interstate. one has in state plates, the other out of state. which one do you think the trooper is going to pull over for the ticket?

    I don't believe for a minute that there are not people who would prosecute gays under article 125 while turning a blind eye to hetero violators.

    doesn't make me inaccurate...just a bit more cynical than you.
    Hey guess what...we are 9 months into an evaluation as to how to handle idiots who would cause issues when DADT goes away. The whole problem with your argument it is imagines things without actually examining things. DADT is going away, probably next year, certainty within the next 2 or 3. Article 125 will not cause an issue with this.
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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Hey guess what...we are 9 months into an evaluation as to how to handle idiots who would cause issues when DADT goes away. The whole problem with your argument it is imagines things without actually examining things. DADT is going away, probably next year, certainty within the next 2 or 3. Article 125 will not cause an issue with this.
    and the problem with your arguement is that you totally ignore that fact that if article 125 is not abolished there will be those who will selectively enforce it to harrass and persecute gays. how is that NOT going to cause an issue?
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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by MCS117 View Post
    No, it doesn't work like that... This is a California court ruling, not the SCOTUS... What are we even debating this about... The DADT is on a federal level, not on a state level.... I don't even see why this is able to go through the state when this is very much a federal issue...

    And violating the 1st amendment is a just semantics... It does not prohibit a person of speaking their mind, but there are disciplinary actions following it. It's the same case as getting a job, you can bad mouth the company all you want, but there are consequences to your actions.
    And 5th amendment pertains to the courts, not any setting.... And it's not forcing a person to come out and say he's gay. So I don't really see how the 1st and 5th amendments are being violated....
    Really, educate yourself...

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and the problem with your arguement is that you totally ignore that fact that if article 125 is not abolished there will be those who will selectively enforce it to harrass and persecute gays. how is that NOT going to cause an issue?
    In which case they are setting themselves up for punishment. Selective enforcement is not allowed. Article 125 is a red herring.
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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

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    I have no use what ever for activist Judges and i also think that once the Supreme Court rules on any subject it cn not be revisited in the future without a Constitutional Amendment. I am tired of new courts revisiting cases long since decided because some group or activist bunch of ninnies like the ACLU want to cause trouble and make the law in their own warped image.
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