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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    OK, you are new, so I will take it easy on you and explain this politely. Being gay is not an action. Being gay does not require sodomy. A large portion of gay people never engage in sodomy. Sodomy laws, if uniformly applied between straits and gays would be a total nonissue for gays. Don't suck a dick on base, you are probably fine. Article 125 has jack and **** to do with DADT. It's a complete and total red herring. A tiny percent of those discharged for DADT are charged with a violation of article 125.

    Do you get the impression that article 125 is a bad argument? Good, because it is.
    facts are our friends.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Activist judge = one who rules in a way you do not like.
    Judges are not supposed to rule..... They are to interpret the laws, not enforce them or make new laws out of them....
    We the People of the United States,... provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare....
    Where did it ever say, promote for the common defence, and provide the general Welfare..... Please don't mix up the two....

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by MCS117 View Post
    Judges are not supposed to rule..... They are to interpret the laws, not enforce them or make new laws out of them....
    their interpretations are called rulings.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the Congress is free to set whatever entry barriers it wishes for military service. flat feet and athsma, for example.

    what makes it unconstitutional?
    Those can be argued as justified and not discriminatory. Remember, laws have to have some reasonable justification other than we don't like it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by MCS117 View Post
    Judges are not supposed to rule..... They are to interpret the laws, not enforce them or make new laws out of them....
    And there are consititutional laws concerning discrimination. That is what they are suppose to do.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It's part of the process. The case does not go strait to SCOTUS, it has to go through the court system first. The 9th court did exactly what it is supposed to do, hear a challenge to a federal law. The repeated claims that the 9th does not have jurisdiction are hilarious but false.
    The defense could appeal to the SCOTUS, but why would they because the judgement by the 9th Circuit has no grounds except as precedent for future cases. However it only relates to DADT and personally I don't believe the SCOTUS will ever touch DADT, generally they stay out of military affairs and let the Commander and Chief handle it.

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    their interpretations are called rulings.
    Still judges are supposed to interpret the consitutional laws into current laws that are to be passed, but instead activist judges use the social norm/status to current laws, which is unconstitutional. Unless the judge can prove that somewhere in the Constitution states the DADT or refers to the operation of the DADT is in conflict with a current Constitutional law, this is an activist judge's ruling that is biased.
    We the People of the United States,... provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare....
    Where did it ever say, promote for the common defence, and provide the general Welfare..... Please don't mix up the two....

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And there are consititutional laws concerning discrimination. That is what they are suppose to do.
    Well then, how about the physical shortcomings? If i have flat feet and I want to join the military, this is discriminating against my weight/physical characteristics. And you can't say this is two different things when they are both under the same law.
    We the People of the United States,... provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare....
    Where did it ever say, promote for the common defence, and provide the general Welfare..... Please don't mix up the two....

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by MCS117 View Post
    Still judges are supposed to interpret the consitutional laws into current laws that are to be passed, but instead activist judges use the social norm/status to current laws, which is unconstitutional. Unless the judge can prove that somewhere in the Constitution states the DADT or refers to the operation of the DADT is in conflict with a current Constitutional law, this is an activist judge's ruling that is biased.
    Laws are not wriiten in a vaccum. What is is seen as discriminatory has always canged from time period to time period. Laws are not and never can be crystal clear, allowing for no misunderstandings or room for interpretation. So, all judges bring some of them to the reading of the law. This is why they often disagree. And they explain their rulings when they rule. This is proper and not activist.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Laws are not wriiten in a vaccum. What is is seen as discriminatory has always canged from time period to time period. Laws are not and never can be crystal clear, allowing for no misunderstandings or room for interpretation. So, all judges bring some of them to the reading of the law. This is why they often disagree. And they explain their rulings when they rule. This is proper and not activist.
    Well this is where rights and lefts branch off, because I believe that if the law is not clear, then you tell them either to make it clearer or do not have a ruling at that moment till a new law updates existing laws. It's the judges role of making sure the laws are following the Constitutional law, not to make their own biased rulings on them based on "the social norm." It's just not their job to do that.

    Wonder why justice wears a blindfold? It's to not see what is happening at the moment, but to hear the case and rule based on their "knowledge" of the Constitution....
    We the People of the United States,... provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare....
    Where did it ever say, promote for the common defence, and provide the general Welfare..... Please don't mix up the two....

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