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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Neither homosexuals nor heterosexuals can marry someone of the same gender.
    Both homosexuals and heterosexuals can marry somene of the opposite gender.
    Everyone has the same privilege; everyone has the same limitation.
    Where's the discrimination?
    As I said, this type of argument is dishonest and disingenuous, not to mention stupid. Marriage is less about gender and more about who you love and are attracted to. If you are allowed to amrry someone you are not in love with and not attracted to, you essentially have no right. And that is discrimination without just cause for the limitation.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As I said, this type of argument is dishonest and disingenuous, not to mention stupid.
    You may then show me how the law treats anyone differently than anyone else.
    If you cannot, then you cannot soundly argue that the law discriminates.

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You may then show me how the law treats anyone differently than anyone else.
    If you cannot, then you cannot soundly argue that the law discriminates.
    I already have. heterosexuals look at the person they are attracted to, love. And they marry that person. Homosexuals look at the person they are attracted to, love, and are not allowed to marry them. Discrimintation. This is why they keep winning in court. The law sees the discrimination and not the silly arguement you're making. Without just cause to discriminate, the law says you can't. You have to argue more as a cause then you don't like it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I already have. heterosexuals look at the person they are attracted to, love. And they marry that person. Homosexuals look at the person they are attracted to, love, and are not allowed to marry them. Discrimintation.
    That's not discrimination. For discrimination to exist, under the law, one group of people must have a different privilege or restriction than some other group.

    All groups have the same privilige; all groups have the same restriction. Arguing that some people might get to do exactly what they want and some people do not doesnt equate to discrimination, under the law.

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That's not discrimination. For discrimination to exist, under the law, one group of people must have a different privilege or restriction than some other group.

    All groups have the same privilige; all groups have the same restriction. Arguing that some people might get to do exactly what they want and some people do not doesnt equate to discrimination, under the law.
    They do ahve a different privliledge. they can marry the person they love and are attracted to. That is what you're side stepping. A restriction must have a valid or just reason for being a restriction. Without that, it is a discrimination.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They do ahve a different privliledge.
    No. Its the same. You cannot argue that a restriction that everyone suffers discriminates against you simply because it keeps you from doing something you -want- to do.

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    The government makes decisions based on the effects on society, not necessarily "fairness".

    For example I would argue that the constitution implicitly blocks the federal government from making drugs illegal, but they do it because of the negative effect on society.

    There are negative effects on society when homosexuality is accepted broadly, just like the negative effects of hetero-divorce. (currently we are screwed WAY WAY more by hetero-divorce than homosexuality)

    This is the REAL reason for the reluctance to "just legalize homosexual marriage".

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No. Its the same. You cannot argue that a restriction that everyone suffers discriminates against you simply because it keeps you from doing something you -want- to do.
    Without just cause, you sure can. And again, it isn't the same. It would be no different than saying all peopel ca=n marry blonds, but no one else. With no good reason, there is discrimination. Homosexuals are not allowed to marry who theylove and are attracted to. Heterosexuals are. Again, discrimination.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by SingleCellOrganism View Post
    The government makes decisions based on the effects on society, not necessarily "fairness".

    For example I would argue that the constitution implicitly blocks the federal government from making drugs illegal, but they do it because of the negative effect on society.

    There are negative effects on society when homosexuality is accepted broadly, just like the negative effects of hetero-divorce. (currently we are screwed WAY WAY more by hetero-divorce than homosexuality)

    This is the REAL reason for the reluctance to "just legalize homosexual marriage".
    And that is what you have to prove, that there is a legitmatie government interest in preventing it. A just cause. A sound reason. And it is not proven that there is any actual negative effects for accepting homosexuality in a society. Much of that feeling is based on misinformation and unsound reasoning. But it what must be proven to prevent it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Pentagon: No Plans to Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy After Court Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Without just cause, you sure can.
    Hardly. You arent so important that not getting to do something that you want to do - something that no one else can either - means -you- are being discriminated against.

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