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Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

The more I read your writing, the more I'm convinced you see Christianity as the real threat to the "American way of life". I have no clue what pissed you off so bad to make you hate Christians so, but it truely makes me sad. You seem to fear Christians more than Muslims with respect to the security of the U.S.

What in sam hell are you talking about?

I'm showing what's called

"hypocricy"

But on that note.

If an American is murdered... who is the most likely person to have murdered that American... A fellow American :)

Have a nice day :2wave:
 
And yet the best source you could come up with is Wikipedia?
:roll: All you have to do is click the link to see where the original source material came from:
Statements by Muslim groups condemning terrorism - Which ends up linking to about 4-5 different links on Muslims denouncing terrorism.
The REAL issue is when the many allow the few to define them by commission or omission, remain silent and do not police their own - well, they lose the right to bitch and moan
WTF do you mean "by commission"? Second, remaining silent on something is not the equivalent of supporting it. Third, they do police their own and have way before 9/11. The people most affected by Islamists are mainly Muslims. Yemen and Saudi Arabia are fighting Al-Qaeda militants along their border. Same with Iraq and Afghanistan. Same with Pakistan. Same with Indonesia.
 
RoP, you are quite a spin doctor....you use rhetoric at its finiest...


1. the Quran isn't some buffet where u just pic and chose verses that serve ur purpose and post them...dont make me start posting verses from teh Bible where God intices his prophets, Moses, davis, samson, etc) to kill (man, woman, and children)...

2. Dont ever quote Khomeinin...he knows nothing of the religion.

3. look into associations fallacy, afterall, i can post articles of christian militan groups in african, kililng homosexuals, raping women, and blowing up buildings... or maybe i should post teh evangelical christians here in teh US bombinb abortion clinics..

4. Dont ever speak on behalf of Muslim....

I suggest you read this article in your Army outfit: Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks
 
No.
I'm a Moderate Muslim.

They are not.

Not my place to define you, but I would say these folks are far more moderate and mainstream and your positions are more accurately defined as 'progressive'. This is considered common and rather 'normal' behavior. To you? Absolutely not. But to them? You bet.
 
Same with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Now that you mention it....This happens way too often, both in Iraq and Afghanistan

Iraqi Soldier Fires on US Troops, Kills 2

An Iraqi soldier fired a barrage of bullets at American troops protecting one of their commanders during a visit to an Iraqi army base Tuesday and killed two of them, the first U.S. servicemen to die since President Obama declared an end to combat operations in the country last week.

Even after the U.S. dramatically reduced the number of troops and rebranded its mission in Iraq, the attack was a reminder that Americans still have to defend themselves in a dangerous country where Iraqi forces have only a tenuous hold on security. Nine Americans were wounded in Tuesday's shooting.

In Tuesday's attack, however, the danger came from within, when U.S. troops were surrounded by the men they are supposed to be training to take over security for the country.
 
Now that you mention it....This happens way too often, both in Iraq and Afghanistan

Iraqi Soldier Fires on US Troops, Kills 2

So after getting proven wrong that Muslim governments have been combating terrorists within their jurisdictions, you decide to post an irrelevant article relating to an Iraqi soldier firing upon American soldiers. All the while leaving this part out:

The assailant opened fire after an argument and was killed in the shootout that followed, said the city's police chief, Col. Hussein Rashid. He did not provide details on the nature of the argument.

I'm still waiting for what you meant "by commission".
 


Now come on...dont you pretty much HAVE to admit...these are 'moderate' Muslims???


where do u get these petty videos? Moderation is the essence of the True teachings of Islam...a "radical" muslim or "liberal'' muslim is bida'a (innovation)...

Follow the quran and the sunnah of the Prophet and you'll be practicining moderation in everything..

now dont go and quote some verse that speaks of violence and draw ur own conclusions and interpretations mocking the religion
 
So after getting proven wrong that Muslim governments have been combating terrorists within their jurisdictions, you decide to post an irrelevant article relating to an Iraqi soldier firing upon American soldiers. All the while leaving this part out:

Keep in mind: One Iraqi opening fire on US soldiers is a representative of the entire Muslim population and their hatred for freedom, whereas American soldiers who kill civilians and collect their fingers are simply isolated instances.
 
where do u get these petty videos? Moderation is the essence of the True teachings of Islam...a "radical" muslim or "liberal'' muslim is bida'a (innovation)...

Follow the quran and the sunnah of the Prophet and you'll be practicining moderation in everything..

now dont go and quote some verse that speaks of violence and draw ur own conclusions and interpretations mocking the religion

Yes...these are the petty ones...not the graphic ones of the beheadings, the Islamists teaching their children to slaughter innocents...you know...the truly bloody and gory ones. These ones are of 'moderates'. And in these petty videos and many many others, educated intelligent modern men and women discuss men beating women in the name of Allah on a regular basis.
 
Keep in mind: One Iraqi opening fire on US soldiers is a representative of the entire Muslim population and their hatred for freedom, whereas American soldiers who kill civilians and collect their fingers are simply isolated instances.

The difference being of course that we arrest criminals and try them...as opposed to those extremist Muslim douchebags that dance and shout and praise Allah for the latest bloodletting.
 
So after getting proven wrong that Muslim governments have been combating terrorists within their jurisdictions

First - Loud mouthed Muslim minorities do not make a "significant proportion"...lol

The policy of "the carrot and the stick" that rejects terrorism will be part of the global economic system. Those that aren't will be isolated, but **** that.

It's useless to haggle over who had the most ties, or the best developed ties, with, the likes of i.e. Al Qaeda. The fact is that Al Qaeda will do business with any muslim body who wants to hit us. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" very much appears to be their mode of thinking, and it is stupid for us to haggle over who is more of an enemy than whoever else. Iran, Iraq, Syria, elements in Pakistan, elements in Saudi, elements in the Gulf states, elements in northern Africa, elements in SE Asia... We have plenty of enemies, and they all want us dead.

And who we choose to eradicate and when is simply a matter of choice of the NCA. To try to justify one over the other in terms of when is like trying to get a kid to eat the broccoli or the spinach first.

you decide to post an irrelevant article relating to an Iraqi soldier firing upon American soldiers. All the while leaving this part out:
Indeed, relevant.....The Iranian/Badr influence is large enough that its a gamble to trust any ISF

I'm still waiting for what you meant "by commission".

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Yes...these are the petty ones...not the graphic ones of the beheadings, the Islamists teaching their children to slaughter innocents...you know...the truly bloody and gory ones. These ones are of 'moderates'. And in these petty videos and many many others, educated intelligent modern men and women discuss men beating women in the name of Allah on a regular basis.

Association fallacy much? those islamists teaching their children such tings is a fraction of a fraction of the Muslim world...

all teh qualified scholars in saudi arabia (who are opressed btw by the filthy rich royal family who bathes in oil money and sleep with arab women) have all condemns the killing of innocent lives, suidice bombing, and the torching of other holy sanctuaries...

so please, the quran makes it clear that hatred and the murdering is 100% forbidden....No one man can be judge, jury, and execution...

now not to long ago, America dropped 2000 pound bombs on Iraq killing thousand of civilians in their sleep... is it fair for me to say this is a "crusade"
 
Association fallacy much? those islamists teaching their children such tings is a fraction of a fraction of the Muslim world...

all teh qualified scholars in saudi arabia (who are opressed btw by the filthy rich royal family who bathes in oil money and sleep with arab women) have all condemns the killing of innocent lives, suidice bombing, and the torching of other holy sanctuaries...

so please, the quran makes it clear that hatred and the murdering is 100% forbidden....No one man can be judge, jury, and execution...

now not to long ago, America dropped 2000 pound bombs on Iraq killing thousand of civilians in their sleep... is it fair for me to say this is a "crusade"

2/3 is still a 'fraction'...
 
Association fallacy much? those islamists teaching their children such tings is a fraction of a fraction of the Muslim world...

all teh qualified scholars in saudi arabia (who are opressed btw by the filthy rich royal family who bathes in oil money and sleep with arab women) have all condemns the killing of innocent lives, suidice bombing, and the torching of other holy sanctuaries...

so please, the quran makes it clear that hatred and the murdering is 100% forbidden....No one man can be judge, jury, and execution...

now not to long ago, America dropped 2000 pound bombs on Iraq killing thousand of civilians in their sleep... is it fair for me to say this is a "crusade"

Can you name one Muslim-run country that is not having some form of terrorism problem?

It doesn't matter how big the area of contention is, it is affecting the entire world.
 
First - Loud mouthed Muslim minorities do not make a "significant proportion"...lol
Who are you to say? And they are not a minority. Moderate Muslim voices greatly outnumber those extremists.
It's useless to haggle over who had the most ties, or the best developed ties, with, the likes of i.e. Al Qaeda. The fact is that Al Qaeda will do business with any muslim body who wants to hit us. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" very much appears to be their mode of thinking, and it is stupid for us to haggle over who is more of an enemy than whoever else. Iran, Iraq, Syria, elements in Pakistan, elements in Saudi, elements in the Gulf states, elements in northern Africa, elements in SE Asia... We have plenty of enemies, and they all want us dead.

And who we choose to eradicate and when is simply a matter of choice of the NCA. To try to justify one over the other in terms of when is like trying to get a kid to eat the broccoli or the spinach first.
I have no idea WTF you are rambling about here. Do you have a point? Mind getting to it?
Indeed, relevant.....The Iranian/Badr influence is large enough that its a gamble to trust any ISF
Well then you must be disappointed to hear about the current US arms deal to Saudi Arabia for a record $60bn. And Saudi Arabia is the most strict and conservative of the Islamic states.
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So how does that tie in to what you said here:
"The REAL issue is when the many allow the few to define them by commission"
 
Can you name one Muslim-run country that is not having some form of terrorism problem?

It doesn't matter how big the area of contention is, it is affecting the entire world.

Tunisia, the Western Sahara, the Maldives, Djibouti, the Gambia, Mali, Oman, Guinea, Bahrain, Albania, United Arab Emirates, Brunei, Malaysia, Burkina Faso... I should stop huh? Starting to name countries you probably have never heard of it.
 
Can you name one Muslim-run country that is not having some form of terrorism problem?

It doesn't matter how big the area of contention is, it is affecting the entire world.

When a christian gets cornered, they turn to politics....

none of these so called "muslim" countries have a qualified Mufti guiding the country...there is no true Shariah in any of these muslim countries... as far as christians living in the country? Egypt...there are coptic christians that have been living there for thousands of years now...

Syria, there are orthodox christians there living too..with the same prosecution that muslims get...stop pointing ur fingers through political issues...
 
Indonesia is our closest neighbour. Some of their islands is just a 30 minute ferry ride from here. That article is nothing new. Couple of years ago the radicals burned many christian churches and killied many christians. Their terrorists been targeting american interests in singapore. Lately the police found a map of the planned targets when indonesian police raided a terrorist hideout. They have a population of 235 million and we are just 5 million. We still maintain peace with them and remain vigilant.
 
Attacks against Muslims in the US has also risen since 9/11. Hell ignorant moronic American's attacked anyone who looked different after 9/11 which resulted in the murder of a Sikh among many attacks and murders. But I am guessing that is being ignored by the usual suspects..

Your hate for America and Americans knows no bounds.
 
So your point is we must focus on latinos and not afghanistan? How come it seems to me there is more bickering than actual logical arguments.

Um, No....You missed the point all together. The Media along with the faux outraged left such as yourself want to paint those opposing the construction of the GZ Mosque on that particular site as racists, and suffering from some made up phobia. The report contradicts you.


And about Napolitano....ONE guy (a right wing "preacher") almost started world war 3 thanks to his utter disrespect for over 1 billion people's religion.

And what exactly makes him "right wing"? Because he is some preacher? I'd say you know nothing of the man's politics. And while we are at it, disrespect? You want to talk about disrespect of Islam? how about the 19 Muslims that on a clear crisp day took out 3,000 innocent lives in the name of Islam? How about the Imam Rauf that threatens violence from radicals if he is not allowed to dismiss the will of the American people and build his Mosque of Taquyya on that particular site? No disrespect there I suppose.


But he has a constitutional right. I forgot. A Muslim who wants to have a mosque and 20 odd floors of community facilities after paying for the building and being approved by the city deserve outrage. Terry Jones has a right. Muslims do not. They all want to kill us. Greensboro church has a right. Muslims do not. They all want to kill us.

You don't seem to even know yourself how many floors this monstrosity is proposed to be. the 13 floor Mosque of Taquyya deserves outrage, not because of your strawman argument of rights, but because of the moral outrage of this supposed man of God spreading hurt, when he proposed to reach out. He and the left are liars.

So Terry Jones wanted to burn Quarans. It's his right. It's just a book.
Muslims can not have a mosque and pray. It is not thier right. It is not respectful. They want to kill us.
Muslims burning bibles in the US? Also not thier right. Only white people can do that in the US.
SICK.

What is sick is how the uber left in this country has to lean on calling everyone racist at the drop of a hat, and misrepresent their opponents arguments disingenuously. No one is racist, that is your diversion, and no one wants to block this mans rights. Just that he be what he claims, and if he is, he will move it.


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Imam Rauf that threatens violence from radicals if he is not allowed to dismiss the will of the American people and build his Mosque of Taquyya on that particular site? No disrespect there I suppose.

Lord Ahmed, our first Muslim peer with links to terrorist groups, threatened to have thousands of violent Muslim thugs parade the streets of London if Geert Wilders' Fitna film had a private showing in Parliament.

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/eng...democracyfr eespeechisraelhamas48021509.html

Muslims in the Lords | The Brussels Journal


Not that surrendering to them ever stopped the hardcore:

Muslims threatening death outside Parliament: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3781E96632D0D14E&playnext=1&v=Vocbu68oKsQ



This is why we need the self-proclaimed moderate Muslims to shop these scum wherever they plot and march, isolate them in their communities and protest or bombard the papers and magazines with letters condemning the extremism of Islam as well as the louts encouraged by it.

They can even buy their own mosques from the Wahhabyist mortgage-payers. Whole cities are now craven at the hands of Muslim gangs and an entire population feels intimidated in case the Establishment bops them for saying the 'wrong' things.

"We don't need to wade in", they say, "as our peacefulness should be assumed."

We're not mind readers you know! And what's more, it would do nothing but good as well as possibly even start the momentum of reforming Islam itself here.
 
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Tunisia, the Western Sahara, the Maldives, Djibouti, the Gambia, Mali, Oman, Guinea, Bahrain, Albania, United Arab Emirates, Brunei, Malaysia, Burkina Faso... I should stop huh? Starting to name countries you probably have never heard of it.

I'm in a good mood, today....

Hmmm....lets see

Ok, Brunei/Malaysia (Jemaah Islamiyah) - Albania (Kosovo Liberation Army or KLA) - Mali (Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)

Gambia (Muslim leader sayz female genital mutilation is "An Honor", etc, etc The rest of the piss poor nations are indirectly (to some degree) involved with Muslim terrorist activities..

The point is, we may kill off every member of the Taliban and Al Quaeda, and there will be a new group in the next generation that will espouse a similar belief and continue the war against us simply because we exist because of Islam

Of course, its politically correct to say, "the extremist" have hijacked Islam and do not represent "true" Islam. Even if that is true, there is sufficient support for their view in the Koran.
 
Um, No....You missed the point all together. The Media along with the faux outraged left such as yourself want to paint those opposing the construction of the GZ Mosque on that particular site as racists, and suffering from some made up phobia. The report contradicts you.

They're not racists, they're just dumbasses. Well ok, some of them may be racists; but it's not that you have to be racist to oppose this. Just lacking for anything to do.
 
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