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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So what seems to be going on is this: A Few radical "muslims" committ terrorist actions, and all of a sudden all Islam means terror...
    What do you think are, the "root" causes for people becoming terrorists?

    Please, take your time

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    OH...BTW...just noticed...that list doesnt include the near DAILY launches of mortar attacks into Israel.
    Vance, those are not considered terror attacks, but the Islamic method of delivering diplomatic messages.

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    Not at all, it merely exposes the over-simplicity of the other side.

    "Most Muslims live in peace", states the maxim, "Therefore we conclude that the religion itself must be peaceful".

    No.


    It's only by the dint of humanity that ordinary Muslims remain well. Indeed, Mo-man himself foresaw this, hence his Koran verses which condemn Muslims who pick and choose the bits they like or who just wish to leave in disgust.


    Is the death penalty for apostasy in the Qur'an? Yes it is, sweet little Rifqa - Jihad Watch

    Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 38:26

    If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 48:16

    But if you're willing to fight for Allah, he will provide you with lots of booty. 48:19-20



    In other words, picking only the peaceful stuff - peaceful stuff mostly cancelled out by 'abrogation' anyway!

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    War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216


    Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 77:19, 77:24, 77:28, 77:34, 77:40, 77:45, 77:49

    Those who rebel by choosing this life over the next will go to hell. 79:37-39

    For the hypocrites (those who claim to be an Allah-junkie but who are actually still normal) there will be a painful doom. 4:138

    Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed. 25:36

    "Hell will appear plainly to the erring." 26:91

    Those who doubt will soon taste Allah's doom. 38:8

    Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 45:7-8

    If you believe Muhammed, Allah will forgive some of your sins and protect you from the painful doom (that he plans to torture everyone else with). 46:31

    The prodigals will be owners of the Fire. 40:43

    Those who bicker about Allah's revelations are filled with pride. 40:56
    I am trying not to crack up here. Have you read the Bible? lol I know you said you were not a practicing Christian, but the Bible has all kinds of stuff like this in it. Why don't you see Christians doing stuff like this anymore? Is it because their religion is better? Or is it something else? Did Christians used to behave the same way? Yep they sure did. They burned witches, "purified" people, had crusades, held slaves they thought it was all okay because of their interpretation of the Bible at the time.
    While Indonesia is supposed to have a secular constitution, they have a strong majority who fight to put in their religious law. They even have Sharia law courts. This kind of gross behavior could happen to any country, and come from any religion. (or non religion. Any idea can be taken to extreme)
    Even today in this country as far as we have come there are still people in this country who wish that Christianity was the rule of law. (having read the Bible, that is a pretty scary idea) They would like to take a few steps back. And if they were able to take a few steps back, eventually, someone else would like to take a few more.

    You take any of these archaic books and turn them into the rule of law, you're asking for trouble.

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    What do you think are, the "root" causes for people becoming terrorists?

    Please, take your time
    Socio-Political and Economic forces, you combine a poor, illiterate population with an extremist view and give them a common enemy, 40 years ago the communists were doing it, today you have islamists, as well as any number of separatists and political ideologue forces world wide, in all the cases, it is not the ideology that provides the motivation, it is simply a uniting factor, and then you have the nuts like Mengistu or Khomeini steer the forces in the directions they want it to go.
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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Socio-Political and Economic forces, you combine a poor, illiterate population with an extremist view and give them a common enemy, 40 years ago the communists were doing it, today you have islamists, as well as any number of separatists and political ideologue forces world wide, in all the cases, it is not the ideology that provides the motivation, it is simply a uniting factor, and then you have the nuts like Mengistu or Khomeini steer the forces in the directions they want it to go.

    Nonsense.

    Liberals love to talk about how America is oppressing the poor around the world – economically, environmentally, socially, militarily. Popular culture is filled with these messages. The movie Syianna is an example. A poor immigrant turns to terrorism because he has no other options. He views the U.S. as being the demon in the world. If only he were middle class, had a job, an education, and opportunities he would not blow himself up.

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    Liberals want Americans to dole out billions of dollars to help poor (and corrupt) nations confront the problem of “global warming” which they see as being caused by fat, greedy Americans. They think that if they can knock the standard of living in the U.S. down a few notches and raise it in the Third World that terrorists will disappear because they will feel fully integrated into society and will turn away from terrorism (radical Islam actually). We have heard this myth hundreds of times over from Liberals for more than two decades but, as with most Liberals beliefs, reality is slightly different.

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    The key is not in giving huge dollar amounts to Third World countries but towards pushing for freedom in all corners of the world… spreading democracy.

    Another Liberal Myth Busted: Terrorists are Poor with Few Options | Capitol Commentary
    Terrorists have higher educations and incomes than expected Although study is still limited, the evidence that there is no simple, direct line from poverty to terrorism is persuasive. Analyses of terrorist activities in the last two decades consistently reveal that individuals who support and commit terrorist acts are likely to be more highly educated and have higher incomes than others in their society.

    Harvard public policy professor Alberto Abadie concluded poor countries do not experience more terrorism than wealthy countries, after he studied wealth, political liberty and other variables in relation to terrorism. He also concluded that political liberty is a better indicator than poverty of terrorist activity.

    Is Terrorism's Cause Poverty?
    Poor peoples situation resorting to terror activities has less to do with your so called "Socio-economic" problems than it does a lack of freedom.


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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I see...so...1.3 billion Muslims cant be ALL bad...except...Well...pretty much all of the Wahabbists...but...you cant blame one for the other. OK...but then lets not pretend it is 1.3 billion peaceful 'moderate' non violent muslims then. SO...Im guessing...a good chunk of those Indonesians...Pakistanis...Saudis...taliban, of course the Iranians... a bunch of Muslim extremists in Chechnya...a few thousand in the Philipines...

    but just a few...not like...you know...a LOT...and the 'good' Muslims shouldnt be mixed in with the bad nor should they be responsible to call out the bad...so...that 1.3 billion...conservative guess...how many would YOU describe as 'moderate'? And are the moderates the ones that DONT protest when someone draws a cartoon of Muhammed? threaten to kill people over the threat of a book burning?
    You would think if it was such a small minority, that the remainder would squash them like a bug, but alas... no bug squashing has occurred, only an expansion and increase in aggression.

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    I am trying not to crack up here. Have you read the Bible? lol I know you said you were not a practicing Christian, but the Bible has all kinds of stuff like this in it.

    It does. But I say this again, until it permeates:

    1. Islam's unique because the ordainments to massacre Jews, oppress Christians and kill other Muslims for being peaceful come straight from the 'prophet'. These commands are meant to be unchangeable, with Islam unreformable. Spot the difference!

    2. We've done bloody well in the West basing our culture and law on basic Christian principles. The Bible is sworn on in court and Jesus has no black, Adolf Hitler-style back history to show him up.

    3. Muslims still have a huge problem with terrorism and other extremism and supremacism, because they indeed lack things like The Reformation, New Testament, Archbishops recommended by the Prime Minister and appointed by the monarch, open and constant critical scrutiny of the denominations, a distinct lack of national leaders ordering people to kill for Jesus holding them in check... the list goes on!

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Poor peoples situation resorting to terror activities has less to do with your so called "Socio-economic" problems than it does a lack of freedom.


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    I'll just point out that a lack of freedom comes under the socio bit of socio-economic, I was using blanket term 'cause I was hoping to avoid nitpicking of the terms I used.

    And as for your first quote box, I do not blame America, I do not support giving out money for global warming, and I agree that democracy needs to be spread.

    And the second link is quite interesting.
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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    As reported across the Muslim world:



    And then what do they do to a good Samaritan? Why, just take a plank to her head because she is a Christian.

    And these people have been terrorizing Christians for months with the police turning the other cheek.

    Muslim Outrage Meter: 0.0
    (Note: the Muslim Outrage Meter regarding Christians has parameters from 0.00 to 0.00)

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I'll just point out that a lack of freedom comes under the socio bit of socio-economic, I was using blanket term 'cause I was hoping to avoid nitpicking of the terms I used.
    Ok, fair enough, I guess I just get used to in this country the argument stemming from a standpoint of guilt of being relatively wealthy Americans, and that causing those that have not to become terrorists. It really is a lame stance, but I see you weren't saying that all together though so.

    And as for your first quote box, I do not blame America, I do not support giving out money for global warming, and I agree that democracy needs to be spread.
    GW is the largest redistribution of wealth scheme to ever hit the world. this is why the UN is trying so hard to keep the mask on the hoax.

    And the second link is quite interesting.
    Yep, it is.

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