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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Indonesian Muslims and Christians are usually at peace, acts like this are committed by a fringe element, usually recent Muslim immigrants, I hope whoever did this suffers to the full extent of the law.
    Its always these fringe elements who are commiting violence, terrorism, etc. Id like to see more Islamic elements out there protesting this crap, but whatever Muslims might be against it cant even work their way up to a respectable fringe.

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Can you prove that statement?

    EDIT: I found this interesting Europol Report: All Terrorists are Muslims...Except the 99.6% that Aren't | loonwatch.com
    Their definition of terrorism certainly needs clarification.

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I see...so...1.3 billion Muslims cant be ALL bad...except...Well...pretty much all of the Wahabbists...but...you cant blame one for the other. OK...but then lets not pretend it is 1.3 billion peaceful 'moderate' non violent muslims then. SO...Im guessing...a good chunk of those Indonesians...Pakistanis...Saudis...taliban, of course the Iranians... a bunch of Muslim extremists in Chechnya...a few thousand in the Philipines...

    but just a few...not like...you know...a LOT...and the 'good' Muslims shouldnt be mixed in with the bad nor should they be responsible to call out the bad...so...that 1.3 billion...conservative guess...how many would YOU describe as 'moderate'? And are the moderates the ones that DONT protest when someone draws a cartoon of Muhammed? threaten to kill people over the threat of a book burning?
    The moderates assist in explaining why terrorists want to kill us infidels, why we infdels should be more sensitive, why wife beating is sometimes necessary but also sometimes frowned upon, that there are Catholic priests who also molested children and, besides, other groups commit terrorism too.

    Moderates try to put terrorism in perspective,
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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    By posting these videos all you are doing is advertising extremist islam.
    Jake, these are Islamic leaders speaking, mainstream guys, They may sound extreme to someone accustomed to their minister or guru but this is really not that unusual. Maybe youre new to the wacky world of Islam..

    Not only that, but the white christian persons interpretation of ALL of Islam. What do you people not get about these people being non violent.
    So explain how Brown, Black and Yellow Christians feel about it.

    If there are 1.4 BILLION of them, how come there isn't an all out holy war?
    Because we have guns and they have stones.

    Oh yeah cuz a few people are perverting the words of the Quran
    Actually these few people are frequently quoting directly from the Koran. Do you dispute that_

    and by the looks of where you get your information...those sources are Christians.
    Those darned Christians are at it again!! It seems you might support the banning any of these Islamic leaders speaking out lest it fall into Christian hands.

    Im an infidel who enjoys watching these freaks spout their craziness, despite their dangerous hold over a billion plus goofy followers. It supports my theory that the link between the lowest life form and civilized man is us.
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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by GodsWrath View Post
    1. Tirmidhi is not authentic..only Bukhari and Muslim.

    2. The BIBLE IS AN ANTHOLOGY of SEX and VIOLENCE.... let me clarify.

    a. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled. Ezekiel 23: 20-21

    b. Genesis ch 30 Jacob takes stripped rods and put it in a troth and had animals looking at it while they mated. the offsrpings then came out with stripped fur. in other words, if im having intercourse with my wife while watchign Barney the big purple dinosaur, my kids will be born big, purple, and have a tail.

    c. Bible said earth is 5768 yrs old. look at the geneology of luke

    D. Dueteronomy ch 21 it talks about having sex with captives

    E. Book of Mathhew, it talks about zorastrian priests from Iran following a star, hovering over a stable...Do you know how big a star is? physically impossible

    F. In Dueteronomy, Jesus says, "The kings that dont accept me, brign them hither and slay them before me"

    G. Luke 12:47 i believe, it talks about flogging your disobedient slaves

    H. Old Test. Jesus commands Moses to kill apostates, man, woman, child. "those who dont worship the God of Israel must be MURDERED"

    Get to it genius, ill be waiting

    3. i want answers to all these verses i've brought up...you hear me? i'm tired of you posting stuff and demanding ansewrs when everyone on this thread rebutes your claims...The ball is on my court now and i want answers to atleast 3 of these issues i brought up...ur choice. ill be waiting...
    This isnt a conflict between Muslims and Christians, its a conflict between Muslims and everyone else. It really doesnt matter what the Bible says.

    Im not a practising Chistian but Id also have been murdered were I in that disco in Bali, the train in Madrid, the bus in London, the pizza parlour in Israel or anywhere those attacks, and hundreds of others, occurred.

    My children would have been murdered also if they were attending kindergarten in Beslan. YouTube - Terror From Hell: The Children of Beslan Tell Their Stories (1 of 6)

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Supremacists from both Christianity and Islam can suck it.

    When any religion is interpreted by authoritarians, you are going to get a religion of violence and hate.

    When people who want to exhort social control get a hold of a religion, they argue literal adherence to the parts that benefit them, and figurative adherence to the parts that don't. The mindless sheep them follow their calls.
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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    My children would have been murdered also if they were attending kindergarten in Beslan. YouTube - Terror From Hell: The Children of Beslan Tell Their Stories (1 of 6)
    Terror in Beslan filled me with a ******* of Islam like nothing else I could have imagined. That a religion could spawn such evil..... It opened my eyes and helped explain a lot about what is going on in the world today.

    Absolutely my greatest fear because it is the scenario that risks what, we all love the most and where, we have the least control.

    Sadly, I don't see any real way to secure the School system that isn't going to have some whiney-liberal-attention whore crying to every member of the media that they can find saying "they are turning our schools into prisons, its not right..." Now, that being said, you know that this very same person will be infront of a camera saying "why didn't the school do anything to prevent this, they should have protected my child"

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Large-scale Christian fundamentalism is yesterday's news. And even in places where Missionaries were sent, you now have Christian culture contributing to such good and moral societies that many in the Third World see their standard of life as superior to ours on a spiritual level.

    I have no problem with the West co-existing with the Muslim world as long as every one of them here co-exists with us. And if any don't they should be warned that where relevant they'll be sent back to their land of ethnic origin.

    That would not just have radical and pushy Muslims living back where they would feel more at home (saves changing our places to suit them), but it would also leave us only the benign ones, fit and willing to integrate and get along.



    Well, theoretically anyway. As the Quillium Foundation report I mentioned suggested, Islam is the only thing keeping these mainstream Muslim groups from being moderate:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...rch-paper.html

    (The link has been removed from the Breaking News column.)
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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    France and Britain are about to learn a very hard lesson about what's it like to become an Islamic theocracy. ...And we'll end up in the same scenario unless we face the fact that "freedom of religion" isn't a good thing when a religion wants to take over you're country and subjugate its population.

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    France and Britain are about to learn a very hard lesson about what's it like to become an Islamic theocracy. ...And we'll end up in the same scenario unless we face the fact that "freedom of religion" isn't a good thing when a religion wants to take over you're country and subjugate its population.
    Nice to know you share the same ideology as Islamists as far as freedom of religion. '

    I wonder what else you have in common.

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