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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Do you mean the part where it says if you murder any innocent it's as if you murdered the world"?

    Taquiyya, Taquiyya, Taquiyya!



    In Islam, an 'innocent' person is a Muslim. Any Muslim, regardless of the human rights abuses.

    The Koran itself says that a 'non-innocent' person, no matter how virtuous, is bad and to be fought.




    Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption* [done] in the land -- it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one -- it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

    Tafsir al-Jalalayn
    Because of that, which Cain did, We decreed for the Children of Israel that whoever slays a soul for other than a soul, slain, or for, other than, corruption, committed, in the land, in the way of unbelief, fornication or waylaying and the like, it shall be as if he had slain mankind altogether; and whoever saves the life of one, by refraining from slaying, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind — Ibn ‘Abbās said [that the above is meant] in the sense of violating and protecting its [a soul’s] sanctity [respectively]. Our messengers have already come to them, that is, to the Children of Israel, with clear proofs, miracles, but after that many of them still commit excesses in the land, overstepping the bounds through disbelief, killing and the like.

    If you kill an INNOCENT, you kill entire humanity

    Quran Sura 5:32 - When Killing isn't Murder | Wingless

    Islam 101: Koran Verse 5:32~ A License to Kill | Loganswarning



    These Lefties think they know it all but they don't.
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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    By posting these videos all you are doing is advertising extremist islam. Not only that, but the white christian persons interpretation of ALL of Islam. What do you people not get about these people being non violent. If there are 1.4 BILLION of them, how come there isn't an all out holy war? Oh yeah cuz a few people are perverting the words of the Quran, and by the looks of where you get your information...those sources are Christians.

    I understand you are showing the extremist side of interpretation. I just wish you did.
    and so it goes...

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    By posting these videos all you are doing is advertising extremist islam.
    Don't you do a Clinton on me old son! We all know that I'm not promoting any such thing! And if warning about it, exploring it and not hiding it under the rug is 'advertising it', then no wonder dealing with the liberal resistance and even vitriol is part of the education.


    If there are 1.4 BILLION of them, how come there isn't an all out holy war?
    You have to be a real loony tune to go right down the violence road. But the jihad can take many forms, as victim-playing hypocrite Colonel Quadaffi himself said 3 minutes in, when he spoke about what Stalin called population transfer:



    The crowd applauded.



    Oh yeah cuz (sic) a few people are perverting the words of the Quran
    How is posting the FULL quote of the tidbit you put up PERVERTING the words of the Koran? I think we've got no little taquiyya to clear up. Pity there's nothing for it at the chemist. (Or 'drug store' as you put it.)

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post

    I think it is outrageous that you can summarize the way 1.4 billion people interpret a book, even though you don't know the book yourself. For crying out loud people. Your excusable rhetoric is getting dangerous. NONE of this is about Islam. NONE of this is about Muslims. The context is extremist islamic jihadists. If there were TEN MILLION Muslim terrorists that would be 1% of the Muslim population. So why must we put this debate on such a macro scale.
    I think this constitutes a major failing of "modern" political thought. We have taken freedom of thought to an unworkable extent. Rather than acknowledging that certain beliefs are incompatible and we can't compromise, we say you can keep your belief and we'll find a way to co-exist. Bull****. There are some belief systems for which there can be no co-existence. Conflict is inevitable until one side is dead...

    That said, I believe there are strains of Islam that advocate peaceful expansion. There is even a brand of salafism that does so. The problem is they are not dominate.

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Rather than acknowledging that certain beliefs are incompatible and we can't compromise, we say you can keep your belief and we'll find a way to co-exist. Bull****. There are some belief systems for which there can be no co-existence. Conflict is inevitable until one side is dead...
    So since you believe Islam incompatible, when are you going to go out and start killing Muslims then?

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    Good. On the back of that unsubstantiated claim, let's have all the ambassadors of Muslim countries called to the White House for a good 'bollocking' - and told to stop things like that if the US is to take in any more Muslims or give an extra cent in foreign aid to them.

    Not on the orders of Jesus (unless my Bible at school had pages missing.)





    But Muhammad however.....



    Islam and Homosexuality

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    As I've said before, because the incitement to atrocity is are first-hand commands by the 'prophet', Islam's just that little bit different!

    1. Tirmidhi is not authentic..only Bukhari and Muslim.

    2. The BIBLE IS AN ANTHOLOGY of SEX and VIOLENCE.... let me clarify.

    a. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled. Ezekiel 23: 20-21

    b. Genesis ch 30 Jacob takes stripped rods and put it in a troth and had animals looking at it while they mated. the offsrpings then came out with stripped fur. in other words, if im having intercourse with my wife while watchign Barney the big purple dinosaur, my kids will be born big, purple, and have a tail.

    c. Bible said earth is 5768 yrs old. look at the geneology of luke

    D. Dueteronomy ch 21 it talks about having sex with captives

    E. Book of Mathhew, it talks about zorastrian priests from Iran following a star, hovering over a stable...Do you know how big a star is? physically impossible

    F. In Dueteronomy, Jesus says, "The kings that dont accept me, brign them hither and slay them before me"

    G. Luke 12:47 i believe, it talks about flogging your disobedient slaves

    H. Old Test. Jesus commands Moses to kill apostates, man, woman, child. "those who dont worship the God of Israel must be MURDERED"

    Get to it genius, ill be waiting

    3. i want answers to all these verses i've brought up...you hear me? i'm tired of you posting stuff and demanding ansewrs when everyone on this thread rebutes your claims...The ball is on my court now and i want answers to atleast 3 of these issues i brought up...ur choice. ill be waiting...

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    What do you mean answers? A set of statements don't constitute questions.


    Unless, though, you're after a repeat of what I said above:

    ...because the incitement to atrocity is are first-hand commands by the 'prophet', Islam's just that little bit different!
    I'm unaware of Jesus directly ordering the stuff the Bible reports of others, though it seems that H was Jesus putting on the act of a tyrant through a story he made of himself.

    http://www.christianity-revealed.com...parable_1.html
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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    What do you mean answers? A set of statements don't constitute questions.


    Unless, though, you're after a repeat of what I said above:



    I'm unaware of Jesus directly ordering the stuff the Bible reports of others, though it seems to me that H was Jesus putting on the act of a tyrant through a story he made of himself.

    LUKE 19:11-27 CALLS UPON JESUS' FOLLOWERS TO MURDER THOSE WHO DO NOT ACCEPT HIM
    are you kidding me? the prophets according to the Bible are murders, adulterers, suicide killers, alcoholics....i mean, and many of the murders are by order of God whom u believe is Jesus..

    Islam however, holds all the Prophets (aliyay salaam) with high regard and exalts them... all the prophets...they were examples and guidance to mankind...

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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    I don't believe in God, though I grew up in a country with modern Christian moral ethics.

    I recall the Gospels were written anonymously with a view to tally with the more bloody public opinion of the time, with the authorship attributed to the long-dead Matthew, Mark, Luke and John hundreds of years later. Though what's actually in the Old Testament was used as the valid justification for murder in the name of God, which was wrong.

    However, the wiggle-room helped the calming and making of Christianity as we know it now. Since then we've had the New Testament, Reformation, Protestantism, Church of England and other constant reform. The forward-looking Christians knew they needed to evolve to fit the times whilst Islam requires its values and people to remain static, their values held back to the same level as Muhammad's.
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    Re: Assailants stab, beat Christian worshippers outside of Indonesia's capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    I don't believe in God, though I grew up in a country with modern Christian moral ethics.

    I recall the Gospels were written anonymously with a view to tally with the more bloody public opinion of the time, with the authorship attributed to the long-dead Matthew, Mark, Luke and John hundreds of years later. Though what's actually in the Old Testament was used as the valid justification for murder in the name of God, which was wrong.

    However, the wiggle-room helped the calming and making of Christianity as we know it now. Since then we've had the New Testament, Reformation, Protestantism, Church of England and other constant reform. The forward-looking Christians knew they needed to evolve to fit the times whilst Islam requires its values and people to remain static, their values held back to the same level as Muhammad's.
    interesting..i've noticed that with christians...As muslims, we believe the law of God is for ALL time..and his religion is for ALL time...God's religion should be perfect, (doesn't mean we will use it perfectly though)...this whole notion of modernizing can be decieving..Innovation or modernizing is permissible in certain things such as medicine or technology..but innovation is religion is not permissible...God knows whats best for us, and we must keep it real...

    i mean, if we just let our own beliefs and suggestions change religion then we may as well be doomed.

    have you ever seen a picture of Mary in swimsuits? no, so then why is it permissble for christians to walk around half naked?

    The prophet said, towards the end of time, women will be clothed, yet naked. i mean, these are issues that we see today and we must question if this is truly progressive..

    1/3 of kids in America are addicted to internet pornography and TV...many are also obese. is this progression? 60% of marriages in america result in Divorce..

    religion is suppose to help deal with these issues, as God guides us to teh Truth and keeps us separate from evil doings.

    Islam is a religon meant for all time..sure, ppl abuse it and use it in disgusting ways, but the religion is for all time meant to keep us on teh straight path.

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