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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Perhaps takle a look at the quote that I responded to, whether tax revenues increase or decrease over time in response to a tax cut is questionable, unless one also looks at what revenues would have been without the tax cut



    How do you measure how much protection one receives from the military, the police, the fire department, the FDA to account for how much in govermnment services they have received
    you cannot but police and fire come from local taxes but the only way to claim the rich don't pay enough for what they get is to assume the rich use more than 40% of such services which is beyond specious and those who pay no income tax use none which is even more ludicrous

    in reality, the rich use less direct government services than the poor and middle classes.



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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    The largest tax increase in history up to that time.
    what was the net impact of the reagan administration on taxes-ie what was the tax burden on January of 1981 vs January of 1989



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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you cannot but police and fire come from local taxes but the only way to claim the rich don't pay enough for what they get is to assume the rich use more than 40% of such services which is beyond specious and those who pay no income tax use none which is even more ludicrous

    in reality, the rich use less direct government services than the poor and middle classes.
    In direct services you are correct, but in the law and order that the government provides the rich do you to maintain and grow their wealth in the stability that is created.

    Ie no socialistic or communistic revolutions
    Conservatives believe that the government is incompetent, and seek to elect people who will ensure it is

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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    In direct services you are correct, but in the law and order that the government provides the rich do you to maintain and grow their wealth in the stability that is created.

    Ie no socialistic or communistic revolutions
    that is so speculative given the rich are far more mobile than the middle class

    but the fact remains the rich get no de jure advantages from the government in return for the de jure requirement that they pay for almost half of the services funded by the income tax and all of what is funded by the death confiscation tax.

    and the rich will not get any benefit from the tax cut being eliminated for them next year



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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I thought I might add my opinion, but Turtledude and his sort seem to have already assigned me one. Apparently, the only reason I support raising taxes on the upper class because I'm jealous and I want the money to come to my pocket!

    Since we get to hand out ridiculous opinions to the opposition now, conservatives support eugenics. I totally hate how conservatives are always supporting eugenics.
    No. Eugenics was a Progressive ideal, and the most vociferous baby-killers draw their ideological heritage from the early eugenicists who viewed abortion as a means of reducing the Negro Race.

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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No. Eugenics was a Progressive ideal, and the most vociferous baby-killers draw their ideological heritage from the early eugenicists who viewed abortion as a means of reducing the Negro Race.
    true-my late liberal mother was a big fan of planned parenthood and she admitted that Margaret Sanger had racist proclivities that white supremacists adopted.



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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is so speculative given the rich are far more mobile than the middle class

    but the fact remains the rich get no de jure advantages from the government in return for the de jure requirement that they pay for almost half of the services funded by the income tax and all of what is funded by the death confiscation tax.

    and the rich will not get any benefit from the tax cut being eliminated for them next year
    It is a logical deduction based on social strife in many countries with extreme levels of economic inequality. From Europe to much of Latin America, and asia, high levels of social inequaility have led to true socialistic or communistic rebel groups
    Conservatives believe that the government is incompetent, and seek to elect people who will ensure it is

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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It is a logical deduction based on social strife in many countries with extreme levels of economic inequality. From Europe to much of Latin America, and asia, high levels of social inequaility have led to true socialistic or communistic rebel groups
    and right wing death squads that tend to win in many instances but even if there was a flat tax which would prevent people like obama from pandering to class envy (we will jack up their taxes not yours) the rich would still pay for more than they use and I doubt the proletarians would be revolting in the streets. to claim we should pay even more to keep the revolution from happening is silly

    the revolution is most likely to happen when the rich cannot or will not pay yet another tax increase designed to buy the votes of the many for the dems. then all those people who have voted for more and more government are going to be -as I noted in another post--like birds who have become dependent on a bird feeder one day finding the feeder empty in the coldest day of the year.



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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what the libs I have been debating, or brushing off my pant legs fail to note, that the current system is doomed to fail sooner or later
    That's what the elitist socialit leadership wants. They can't seize more power until they've wrecked the current system. Hence their undying support for the deliberate sabotage their Messiah is wreaking on the United States.

    1) they will get more and more government services

    2) they won't have to pay additional (assuming they pay income taxes in the first place) taxes for additional handouts

    3) and only the evil rich will be soaked

    they will continue to vote for the people who give them stuff and have ABSOLUTELY NO INCENTIVE to demand their masters to stop the insane spending.

    one day the money will run out and these dependents will be like birds who depend on a feeder all year long finding that the owners forgot to put the birdfeed out in the coldest days of winter.

    its gonna be ugly and these parasite enablers continue to act as if this is not a possibility
    Yes, that's what the dupes at the lowest levels believe. The slightly higher level of dupe, those that post here, are convinced that they should feel guilty for not being poor and that the only way to assuage that guilt is to steal money from wealthier people. They reject the notion that their guilty feelings could be treated by giving away their own money. Then you have the highest level, the puppeteers, the Al Gores and Michael Moores with the propaganda films, the media whores of the left, the manipulators and the power seekers and the race baiters, all seeking to move the system to the edge simply to line their own pockets, and the deluded saps at that level who hold the reins of power in the belief that destroying the US will be good for us.

    Real Americans who oppose this are harder to find.

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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    In direct services you are correct, but in the law and order that the government provides the rich do you to maintain and grow their wealth in the stability that is created.

    Ie no socialistic or communistic revolutions
    Yeah. Well, guess what?

    The poor people manage to keep jobs only because the nation's social and economic structure has it's "stability" maintained by the government.

    The middle class can buy it's homes, it's cars, it's retirement funds, because the government maintains social and economic stability.

    Guess what the function of government is?


    It's to establish domestic tranquility. Read the Constitution, damn it.

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    That stabiity, and the government's ability to maintain it, become threatened when the government is allowed assume powers not granted it by the Constitution, and when the financial excess reaches the point of economic collapse. The Messiah's deficit is what, 10% of GDP? That's unsustainable and no amount of taxation can cover that. The necessary remedy is to increase federal revenues by cutting taxes, and cutting spending to what the Constitution authorizes.


    The Constitution doesn't authorize half of what's being spent today, from public education to welfare to social security to TARP and stimuli.

    Federal taxes on capital gains should be completely erased, as should federal estate taxes, to name just two of the many egregious taxes that shouldn't ever have been passed in the frist place.
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