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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Based on this argument, please answer the following question simply by replying yes or no:

    "Do tax cuts pay for themselves?"



    Next question: "What new body/agency of government has President Obama initiated that is active right now?"

    In your opinion, what constitutes "bigger government"? I'm asking because I hear this phrase, "bigger government," all the time now but I'm having a hard time isolating exactly what Republicans/Conservatives mean when they say it. Is it identified as a new branch of government, additional government employees, broader powers of a specific government agency or the larger amount of money the government spends overall? And how big or small should government be?

    Please, define "bigger government" for us.
    tax cuts do not have to pay for themselves because tax cuts are not spending or outlays of tax moneys

    bigger government=more government spending
    more government employees

    two plausible definitions



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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    can you prove the cause and effect?

    I think you are making that up and I think your envy of the rich is pathetic
    Can you show were ANY president has lower taxes during war? ANY?


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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    can you prove the cause and effect?

    I think you are making that up and I think your envy of the rich is pathetic
    Cause. lowered taxes, and increased spending means a higher deficit, as the US savings rate was negative at the time the US government had to borrow from foreign investors, of who the Chinese made the biggest gains in holdings of US government debt during that time frame
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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Can you show were ANY president has lower taxes during war? ANY?
    sure any war-Civil war, war of 1812 SA war.



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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    increased spending means a higher deficit

    yep increased spending including lots of social spending

    tax revenues went up after the tax cuts

    why did your hero clinton raise taxes in times of peace?



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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tax cuts do not have to pay for themselves because tax cuts are not spending or outlays of tax moneys

    bigger government=more government spending
    more government employees

    two plausible definitions
    Tax cuts have to either be accompanied by spending cuts or government borrowing to pay for government programs
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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tax cuts do not have to pay for themselves because tax cuts are not spending or outlays of tax moneys
    So, what you're saying is tax cuts simply means somebody pays a lessor amount of taxes on their income. Alright, would you then agree that in reducing taxes the government has less income to pull from?

    two plausible definitions

    bigger government=more government spending
    Where is this money coming from?

    more government employees
    How many more government employees have been hired in the 2-years President Obama has been in office compared to President GW Bush?

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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Tax cuts have to either be accompanied by spending cuts or government borrowing to pay for government programs
    you think obama is going to cut government spending?

    Unless those who want the government spending start paying more taxes jacking taxes up on those who do not drive that spending is not going to result in any reduction of the deficit

    dems gain votes by social spending. Why would they cut spending when it would undermine their ability to gain votes especially since their schemes involve only raising taxes on a minority to "pay" for that nonsense

    in reality the dems have no desire to stop the out of control spending and obama's administration and its huge deficits have proven that



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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    So, what you're saying is tax cuts simply means somebody pays a lessor amount of taxes on their income. Alright, would you then agree that in reducing taxes the government has less income to pull from?



    Where is this money coming from?



    How many more government employees have been hired in the 2-years President Obama has been in office compared to President GW Bush?
    you assume that things are static and if you cut taxes on productive people that means less tax revenue. Using your logic you must support a 100% tax on all income over a certain level because using your view that would raise more and more revenues

    I don't know how many more obama has hired compared to Bush-do you -at one time it was alot but that was the census poll takers



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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sure any war-Civil war, war of 1812 SA war.
    The first personal income tax was imposed during the civil war... 3% for all incomes over $800.

    So much for a top school with honors and a JD...

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