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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i saw this earlier, and while i am happy at his stance......he's said he thinks it's bad policy, and it won't do any good to let the tax increases expire for the wealthy. so, isn't this a typical politician's play for votes?

    Boy, it sure would be nice of the ones who currently hold ALL the power in DC felt it magnanimous enough to actually be the ones to concede a point or two wouldn't it? I mean didn't Obama campaign on bringing both sides together, being a uniter? Uh huh....Typical.


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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Boy, it sure would be nice of the ones who currently hold ALL the power in DC felt it magnanimous enough to actually be the ones to concede a point or two wouldn't it? I mean didn't Obama campaign on bringing both sides together, being a uniter? Uh huh....Typical.


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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This attitude is the reason the GOP will end up destroying itself. They've painted the Democrats as the devil to the right wing. Now the right wing will not forgive any compromise with The Devil.
    Why should the GOP compromise at all...Demo's have made it clear that it is their way, or no way. The only reason that demo's want GOP bipartisan support for anything is to blame it on them when it fails.

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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Boy, it sure would be nice of the ones who currently hold ALL the power in DC felt it magnanimous enough to actually be the ones to concede a point or two wouldn't it? I mean didn't Obama campaign on bringing both sides together, being a uniter? Uh huh....Typical.


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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i think you misunderstood.
    Possibly, but my question also can stand on its own, right? What has the party with singular control of government today done in the way of compromise to entice bipartisanship? Not much if anything from what I see.


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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why should the GOP compromise at all...Demo's have made it clear that it is their way, or no way. The only reason that demo's want GOP bipartisan support for anything is to blame it on them when it fails.
    oh, boy...

    So, lemme get this straight... The Dems want bi-partisan support so if/when a policy fails they can say, "It's the GOPs fault for supporting this and not being obstructionist."??

    Interesting take on Dem strategy.

    I guess those who voted against stimulus and then applied for funds for their districts (like my congressman)-- those GOPs avoided this devious Dem trap and got the $$ for their folks.

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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    oh, boy...

    So, lemme get this straight... The Dems want bi-partisan support so if/when a policy fails they can say, "It's the GOPs fault for supporting this and not being obstructionist."??

    Interesting take on Dem strategy.

    I guess those who voted against stimulus and then applied for funds for their districts (like my congressman)-- those GOPs avoided this devious Dem trap and got the $$ for their folks.

    Way to not even be close to what I was saying hazelnut....Look, I believe the strategy for Obama's far left governance has always been that even one Repub on board gives him cover to defray claims of democrat heavy handedness, and claim bipartisanship as disingenuous as that is.

    Now it you want to talk about what money they take home and act like it is only repubs that feed at the pork trough then I would invite you to not be disingenuous yourself.

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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I know you probably haven't read all my posts and you certainly do not know what I say in other forums but I have damned W for years for not cutting spending.

    You aren't going to hear me praise Bush on that grounds but I find it interesting that so many people who complain about Bush's spending somehow seem so happy with Obama's far more reckless spending
    But you see, that's just it! I don't see Obama's spending as reckless. It would be one thing if he came into office and initiated the stimulus bill on his own or sought unemployment benefits just because or gave GM & Chrystler bailout funds of his own accord, but he hasn't. This country's economy was very close to being in the toilet in a very bad way. His actions prevented that from happening. You can argue that the spending hasn't done everything as promised which is a philisophical or political idealogical difference, but you can't deny that his measures have kept this country's economy afloat. Furthermore, by all accounts things appear to be slowly turning around. So, you can be upset about the massive spending all you want, but you can't deny that without it this country would be far worse off nor can you say he would have done any of it (other than perhaps credit card reform and health care reform) if the economy hadn't been in that shape it was in when he took office. IMO, these are the key things many people don't stop long enough to take into account.

    I honestly don't believe President Obama wanted to do most of what he has done where efforts to stimulate this nation's economy is concerned. However, I do believe he is doing what he needs to do in order to get the country out of this mess and get people back to work, as well as, move the nation in areas where we can become leaders in the global marketplace again.

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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But you see, that's just it! I don't see Obama's spending as reckless. It would be one thing if he came into office and initiated the stimulus bill on his own or sought unemployment benefits just because or gave GM & Chrystler bailout funds of his own accord, but he hasn't. This country's economy was very close to being in the toilet in a very bad way. His actions prevented that from happening. You can argue that the spending hasn't done everything as promised which is a philisophical or political idealogical difference, but you can't deny that his measures have kept this country's economy afloat. Furthermore, by all accounts things appear to be slowly turning around. So, you can be upset about the massive spending all you want, but you can't deny that without it this country would be far worse off nor can you say he would have done any of it (other than perhaps credit card reform and health care reform) if the economy hadn't been in that shape it was in when he took office. IMO, these are the key things many people don't stop long enough to take into account.

    I honestly don't believe President Obama wanted to do most of what he has done where efforts to stimulate this nation's economy is concerned. However, I do believe he is doing what he needs to do in order to get the country out of this mess and get people back to work, as well as, move the nation in areas where we can become leaders in the global marketplace again.
    I guess big pay packages are bad only if the government is not involved.

    New GM CEO's pay package worth $9 million - Yahoo! News

    New General Motors Co. CEO Daniel Akerson will get the same $9 million pay package as the man he replaced, Ed Whitacre.
    Akerson, a former telecommunications industry and private equity executive, will receive $1.7 million in annual salary, $5.3 million in short-term stock payable over the next three years, and another $2 million in stock that's part of the company's long-term executive compensation plan.
    The automaker, which is 60.8 percent owned by the U.S. government, disclosed the pay package in a filing on Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. It is identical to what the company disclosed for Whitacre in February.

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    Re: John Boehner speaks of tax compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So you have nothing on how increasing taxes will create jobs. Here is a hint, If companies pay more taxes there is less for expansion and hiring new employees. Many will not hire because of the fear of the cost of the new Obama care bill
    I think the problem many working-class families have with this notion is:

    1) Not many new jobs were created under Reagan, GH Bush or GW Bush despite their tax cuts to the upper crust; and,

    2) All the CEOs of big corporations that received bailout money still got their big bonuses or severance pay when they left their positions.

    The average Joe can care less about the fat cats getting fatter while the company they work for gets downsized, they get pick slips while learning that their big boss received millions while at the same time jobs are being cut. In other words, saying that the economy is doing bad, jobs are hard to find/create and that it's all the government's fault doesn't make sense when you see your boss still got paid but you just lost your job. And then you hear that some in Congress (Republicans) still want to give the riches of the rich more tax cuts!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I guess big pay packages are bad only if the government is not involved.

    New GM CEO's pay package worth $9 million - Yahoo! News

    New General Motors Co. CEO Daniel Akerson will get the same $9 million pay package as the man he replaced, Ed Whitacre.
    Akerson, a former telecommunications industry and private equity executive, will receive $1.7 million in annual salary, $5.3 million in short-term stock payable over the next three years, and another $2 million in stock that's part of the company's long-term executive compensation plan.
    The automaker, which is 60.8 percent owned by the U.S. government, disclosed the pay package in a filing on Friday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. It is identical to what the company disclosed for Whitacre in February.
    I'd say it's bad if you're a CEO and your company is laying off workers while you're still receiving a massive paycheck. Yes! I'd say that's neither in the best interest of the company nor the nation's economy overall. I do, however, see the significance of making stock options part of a CEO's compensation plan. If he/she does the job well, the reward is higher profits on the stock. But therein lay the problem: I don't know of many CEO's who left their company when their stock went south. In fact, most will either leave beforehand or sell the stock prior to leaving.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 09-13-10 at 03:09 PM.

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