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    Re: U.S. shifts approach to deporting illegal immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You and I agree, then. The approach to stopping illegal immigration is to penalize the companies who hire them. Obama's approach seems to be a different one. I like GW's much better regardless.
    No we are not in agreement on everything. Obama's approach is no different than it was under Bush and Republican controlled congress. Is that a problem, of course, but playing selective partisan politics like this is just as bad as the US immigration policies. The Republicans had 6 years of full control and did NOTHING, and now it all of a sudden is a huge problem? The core of the problem is not that illegals are coming to the US, that will never change. The core of the problem is that they are finding work in the US and the penalty for hiring an illegal is far far far far too low.

    There are two very easy solutions to the problem.. put in a national ID program that is required to get bank accounts, housing, and jobs and so on, and of course huge mega fines for anyone that hires an illegal.. Then your illegal problem will go down to manageable level. And it will be a hell more affordable than a multi billion dollar wall that has to be kept in service.
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    Re: U.S. shifts approach to deporting illegal immigrants

    The amounts of the fines are pathetic. Just goes to show that government supports business over border security.

    Fining a company that makes $10B in pure profit annually $11 million is a joke. These companies have no real incentive to alter employment practices, and as usual tax money is being wasted going after individual illegals. If there is a leak in a barrel, do you sit there trying to gather the water that is running out of it, or do you plug the hole? The hole is the companies, not the border itself.

    Business should be the primary focus. If illegals can't make money then there will be no reason for them to come.

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    Re: U.S. shifts approach to deporting illegal immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I just want everyone to enforce the damn laws you they took and oath to enforce or be removed from any office for not obeying the laws.
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    I am sick to death of all this PC BS and one of those is calling Illegal Aliens Immigrants.
    This I can't agree with you on.

    The basic geographical definition of an immigrant is not hinged upon the legality or illegality of the migration, but simply "a person who comes to a country where they were not born in order to settle there" (wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn) - it is whether the person is a legal or illegal immigrant that depends on whether or not the laws were followed.
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    Re: U.S. shifts approach to deporting illegal immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    LOL 11 million in fines.. from Walmart? HAHAHAHAHHA.. it should have been 25% of its turnover, then they might have learned their lesson... 11 million is like a few hours of profit for them pft. So no, GW got it wrong, yet again.
    So, your view on this 100% internal US matter is that companies who hire illegals should be punished severly?
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    Re: U.S. shifts approach to deporting illegal immigrants

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    U.S. shifts approach to deporting illegal immigrants - USATODAY.com


    Now while actual deports are up, releases are up too. The fact ICE lets even one illegal go is a disgrace.

    It seems he wants a back door amnesty.
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    Re: U.S. shifts approach to deporting illegal immigrants

    They are just trying to use their limited resources in the most effective way by targeting the most dangerous people. Law enforcement does it all the time and there's nothing wrong with it, as its impossible to enforce every law and catch every criminal. The same way a person will always be able "get away" with speeding on a highway an illegal immigrant will always be able to cross into the US, its not a problem that we can solve as it remove it completely its something that has to be managed and kept under control.

    While you can argue, and I would agree, that border protection needs MORE funding, I can't disagree that they are focusing their efforts on the illegal immigrants who are criminals, other than the crime of being here illegally. For example if you had to pick one man to deport, would it be the guy who's just going to work on farm or the drug smuggler? I'd deal with the drug smuggler myself before the crop picker.

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    Re: U.S. shifts approach to deporting illegal immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So, your view on this 100% internal US matter is that companies who hire illegals should be punished severly?
    Illegal immigration is not an internal US thing, it happens all over the place. Some countries are better than others to deal with it, but the US is one of the worst. My own home country deals it with by requiring everyone to have a national ID, and without it you cant function at all in society. We also punish those that hire illegals by huge fines and even seizing businesses. Hence our illegal problem is minimal. At the end of the day, illegals come for a better life and that includes work, and if there is no work (for whatever reason) then illegals dont come. Now unless you are willing to throw away billions of dollars a year on a big ass fence across thousands of miles, manned by troops every hundred feet, then go ahead, but it wont solve your problem since the border aint the only place illegals come over. And blaming illegals solely and going after them wont solve the problem either.... the key is the companies and people who provide work for the illegals.. THAT is the problem.
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