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Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

CriticalThought said:
While we are at war, the military is more than happy to let gays serve semi openly, as long as they don't make it into a big publicity thing or get any complaints.
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It's was not about allowing them to serve. It's was about not allowing them their easy way out. The numbers are very clear. During the 90's we could afford to let them out (whether gay or not) because we were also downsizing in Congress' infinite wisdom. Post 9-11 it was more of a burden than before. The legal military never liked DADT.

CriticalThought said:
DADT is a policy that can only truly be enforced during peacetime, and its unfortunate that it will be enforced on many of the gay service men and women who gave much in these two wars.
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I don't understand where you people are coming up with this stuff. Even the military was exhausted over DADT. The numbers were not anywhere near this high pre-DADT so what does this scream at you? I don't think most people even understand what DADT was about. It forced the military to act on gays whether they were gay or not.
 
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texmaster said:
Redress is not gay
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We do have at least 2 veteran's who are gay who post on this board though. I just am not one of them. Interestingly, they both are conservatives, and both favor removing DADT. Based on their experiences they seem to feel that the military is ready for gays to serve openly. Take that for what it is worth.
 
apdst said:
The folks that have actually served in the miltiary are just a buncha homophobes and racists.
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It's a matter of generation. What were gays while you grewup? Chances are they were the same for me. But this generation is different. It's like expecting the WWII generation to understand how the Civil Rights generation saw things.
 
Redress said:
We do have at least 2 veteran's who are gay who post on this board though. I just am not one of them. Interestingly, they both are conservatives, and both favor removing DADT. Based on their experiences they seem to feel that the military is ready for gays to serve openly. Take that for what it is worth.
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And an Active Duty Marine of 18+ years who grew up looking down on homosexuals that believes DADT is a dinosaur of a policy. Even the military as a whole recognizes that changes are about to occur.
 
Some basic facts:

1) DADT is not going to last much longer. Either congress or the courts will remove it.

2) If congress does not get rid of it, SCOTUS is almost certain to, with the 4 liberal judges joined by at least 1 of the conservatives(you know who I am talking about).

3) The military does not get a say in whether the policy goes away or not. The military does not, and should not, make that type of decision.

4) The vast majority of young adults in this country(you know, the ones who actually might enlist in the military) support gays serving openly.

5) The only argument against gays serving openly is that it might be a challenge for a few months adjusting.

6) Almost no on in this thread has read the actual court ruling that this thread is about, which is just sad. Talking from ignorance is foolish.
 
MSgt said:
And an Active Duty Marine of 18+ years who grew up looking down on homosexuals that believes DADT is a dinosaur of a policy. Even the military as a whole recognizes that changes are about to occur.
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It's also seems pretty clear that you are personally conflicted a bit on this issue as well. That speaks volumes about the policy and how badly outdated it is.
 
Redress said:
Some basic facts:

1) DADT is not going to last much longer. Either congress or the courts will remove it.

2) If congress does not get rid of it, SCOTUS is almost certain to, with the 4 liberal judges joined by at least 1 of the conservatives(you know who I am talking about).

3) The military does not get a say in whether the policy goes away or not. The military does not, and should not, make that type of decision.

4) The vast majority of young adults in this country(you know, the ones who actually might enlist in the military) support gays serving openly.

5) The only argument against gays serving openly is that it might be a challenge for a few months adjusting.

6) Almost no on in this thread has read the actual court ruling that this thread is about, which is just sad. Talking from ignorance is foolish.
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1) Wrong

2) Wrong

3) Very Wrong

4) Wrong

5) Wrong

6) So what since the 9th Circus has no authority, here.
 
aspdt, you are still claiming that a federal court has no jurisdiction over federal law? Really? You have anything at all, anything to back that up?
 
Redress said:
aspdt, you are still claiming that a federal court has no jurisdiction over federal law? Really? You have anything at all, anything to back that up?
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An appeals court has no jurisdiction over military regulation, I said. Please, try and keep up.
 
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Redress said:
DADT is federal law. You did not know that?
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The military's ban on gays, isn't. Good luck with that, when your judicial activists abolish DADT.
 
MSgt said:
You aren't going off of anything other than a self induced idea of things.
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Which is exactly what you're going off of, since you yourself admitted you're no wiser to the particulars of the individuals dismissed under DADT than I am.

MSgt said:
It's a simple matter of common sense.
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Yeah, I thought so too, but apparently you disagree. :lol:
 
apdst said:
The folks that have actually served in the miltiary are just a buncha homophobes and racists.
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No.

Just the homophobes and racists.

By all means, however, continue to mischaracterize everything I say, it's obvious you're not interested in the truth.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
No.

Just the homophobes and racists.

By all means, however, continue to mischaracterize everything I say, it's obvious you're not interested in the truth.
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Every combat vet on this forum, since I've been here, on the five+ threads on this subject have told you folks that you're wrong. So, basically, we're wrong and your civilian self is right, because, well, you just are.
 
How wrong I was to support DADT. Homosexuals have every right to have the honor of being soldiers. Their partners should be kept secret, nor should we dishonor them by banning them from military functions as a couple. The army isn't about proclaiming your sexuality, nor is it about repressing it. It's about protecting America. Homosexuals deserve that honor, and it's a grave disservice to the men and women of our military who happen to be homosexuals. Repeal DADT now.
 
apdst said:
The military's ban on gays, isn't. Good luck with that, when your judicial activists abolish DADT.
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You can of course prove this? Come on, just once prove something you say.
 
Redress said:
It's also seems pretty clear that you are personally conflicted a bit on this issue as well. That speaks volumes about the policy and how badly outdated it is.
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Conflicted, yes. Confused, no. That being said.....I just don't want to catch it...kidding.

I just don't like inaccuracy. DADT was horribly abused by people who simply used it to escape their obligations. The rules were very clear - "Don't Ask, Don't Tell." It was absolutely illegal for anybody to bring personal "investigation" to the C.O. of homosexual activity. It was illegal to ask or to inquire. However, telling was another matter. It forced a legal reaction, especially if the whole unit was watching. Homosexuality had to be obvious, which satisfied the military's want to simply pretend it doesn't exist and the civilian's want to allow them their peace. But it didn't work out that way. Gays and non-gays came out of the wood work to declare their gayness. Under DADT, strict rules told the military exactly what to do. Numbers exploded. There were no mass witchhunts as gays on the outside pretend their were. And DADT was a moral and a financal burden. The few execptions that people cling to in order to rally the parade were not the rule.

My sense of "icky" does not transcend my professionalism to comply and enforce policy. I believe I represent most. The writing is on the wall. It's time to evolve our military once again for the society. I think I can understand the professionalism of those who were tasked with mixing the races or to promote the females to levels of unit responsibility.
 
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apdst said:
That's certainly original. Even after I've stated that the gay ban should be lifted. You're a ****ing genius!!
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In the same breath you said you wanted DADT.:roll:
 
digsbe said:
How wrong I was to support DADT. Homosexuals have every right to have the honor of being soldiers. Their partners should be kept secret, nor should we dishonor them by banning them from military functions as a couple. The army isn't about proclaiming your sexuality, nor is it about repressing it. It's about protecting America. Homosexuals deserve that honor, and it's a grave disservice to the men and women of our military who happen to be homosexuals. Repeal DADT now.
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Repealing DADT is not the issue anymore. Even the military has grown beyond this.
 
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