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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    true. the point is, if you are an officer you have to make damned sure that you don't allow yourself to get into situations where your actions can be questioned.

    I see nothing wrong with officers attending social gatherings with enlisted. Where the problems come in is when the Company CO starts hanging out at Joe Snuffy's house on the weekend and going on fisihing trips with him.

    Attending weddings, parties, etc should pose no problems and in most cases are beneficial to morale.
    Situations like that are MET-T.
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    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

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    Officers partying with enlisted men doesn't comprimise the regulations?
    not unless the officer in question singles out a particular enlisted man for individualized attention. The simple act of attending a party where enlisted are present does not violate the regulation.

    You're just being obtuse, now. What about officers and enlisted men gambling?
    unless they are in vegas or at a casino, gambling of any sort is illegal.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    true. the point is, if you are an officer you have to make damned sure that you don't allow yourself to get into situations where your actions can be questioned.

    I see nothing wrong with officers attending social gatherings with enlisted. Where the problems come in is when the Company CO starts hanging out at Joe Snuffy's house on the weekend and going on fisihing trips with him.

    Attending weddings, parties, etc should pose no problems and in most cases are beneficial to morale.
    Exactly. The differnce, I see, is a Wedding is a special occasion and a time to celebrate, particularly things that the military values, Family. The start of every family begins (in theory) at the Wedding. Even though way to often folks have babies before and even with, never getting married.

    Now, an Army Captain becoming drinking buddies with a PFC.... that would be bad.
    Unfortunately, during my time, my XO (1LT) became drinking buddies with a SPC that worked with him regularly. It was sickening with said SPC got injuried in Iraq, the response the XO made because of it gave me a very interesting look into what an openly gay combat unit might look like
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Situations like that are MET-T.
    true and if it is a social event like a wedding or party where lots of people are in attendance, there is nothing wrong with an officer attending the wedding of one of his soldiers or attending a party with enlisted members of his unit. again, the problem arises when an officer singles out an individual soldier for "special" attention.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ya'll definitely need to learn more about how fraternization is defined. You should also learn how fraternization is defined, in relationship to chain of command.

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    And you have proven me right. Nothing there says a CO could not, or should not attend a wedding.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Another voice of experience. What happens when that person turns out to be gay and is a heterophobe?
    ... a heterophobe? What the hell are you talking about? I'm assuming that means somebody who is 'afraid' of straight people? Well guess what cookie? They don't get to chose who they serve with either.

    You all act as if the problem is about homophobic straights that are too prejudiced to serve with gay soldiers.

    I can't believe that people who claim to so enligthened and intelligent are having such a hard time seeing the bigger picture.
    Yes.....like heterophobes and stuff.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And you have proven me right. Nothing there says a CO could not, or should not attend a wedding.
    There's no surprise that you don't understand.
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's no surprise that you don't understand.
    You're the only one that understands right?

    Even though every other vet around here disagrees with you.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's no surprise that you don't understand.
    I understand perfectly well. I understand you are factually and practically wrong.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Right! I don't know jack **** about the Army. Ok, got it!

    What was your MOS, BTW? Class-9 clerk? Supply specialist?
    Times have very much changed for the military my man. It's a different world today. Time in service, MOS, etc. just doesn't matter like it used to. My Father did 30 years in the Corps. Between his first year, being spent in Vietnam, and the year 2000 he lived in "peace." For just over 29 years, my Father saw no conflict. It all came down to being in the "wrong" units at the "wrong" time and the global environment. He began as a Grunt and retired as a Refrigeration Mechanic. Consider today's "soldier." Most may see foreign war torn soil twice in a single enlistment and it doesn't matter the MOS. Soldiers in the Army are constantly facing the enemy on convoys no matter their MOS. Marines find themselves constantly on patrols with the infantry no matter the MOS.

    Personally, I started as a Field Wireman and today I'm a Comm Chief. Along the way I was a Radioman in Somalia & Haiti and led patrols on streets and to clear buildings in Iraq. And in my 19th year (next year) I am destined for Afghanistan (somebody's got to win that one).

    Today's troop has been in a state of war since 9/11. It is imperative that he be educated as to what his enemy is and what the culture is. And we aren't talkng about a single country. We are talking about multiple ones with discreet cultures and grievances (though some grievances and cultures overlap due to Arab colonialism). These things tend to place things into proper perspective. In a time where "soldiers" are either headed to Iraq or Afghanistan from year to year and other undesignated places of Al-Queda presence, gays in the military and other such traditions have simply lost its horror. With the proper analysis, one can properly forecast one hell of a religious century ahead of us. Bigger things are the focus.
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