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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I got a better idea; with all your miltiary experience and supreior knowledge, show us the regulation that allows such activity. Thanks in advance!
    Where's the regulation that allows them to use the latrine?
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

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    Its there.......
    I don't agree with how he is using it, but its there.
    Is there a case it has been applied in such a manner

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Is there a case it has been applied in such a manner
    Not that Im aware of.

    1SGs and Company Commanders commonly "fraternize" according to this logic.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    This topic has garnered way more attention than it deserves.

    If a homosexual in the military tries to force his or her attentions on another it is a violation of the U.C.M.J. and can be dealt with as prescribed un der the law.

    If they are caught having sex on a base that too is covered and can be dealt with accordingly.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    you don't get it, because you've never served in the military.
    If a company commander accepts an invitation to one enlisted man's wedding, he has to accept the invitations to every enlisted man's wedding, under his command. If he misses one, then he can be accused of showing favoritism, which will get his ass in a crack. Get it now.
    It would be like PFC Joe Blow saying, "Hey, Captain, let's go have a beer", and the captain saying, "sure, let's go". Fraternization doesn't just involve sexual activity, as far as the DoD is concerned. Had you a few moments of military service, you would already know that. Even Redress will tell you that.
    Thats bull**** because I've been to wedding with my CO present, and have known of others were he was not. In the first case it was a local wedding so he attended and in the latter it look place across the country while the soldier was on leave, but fact was he went to one and not the other. There is no regulation that enforces that level of equal treatment.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This topic has garnered way more attention than it deserves.

    If a homosexual in the military tries to force his or her attentions on another it is a violation of the U.C.M.J. and can be dealt with as prescribed un der the law.

    If they are caught having sex on a base that too is covered and can be dealt with accordingly.
    Replace "homosexual" with "anyone".
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    (2) Dating, shared living accommodations other than those directed by operational requirements, and intimate or sexual relationships between officers and enlisted personnel. This prohibition does not apply to

    Army Fraternization Policies
    There you go. A company commander cannot accept an invitation to the wedding of one of his enlisted men. Welcome to the real world! Sex isn't the alpha and omega of fraternization between officers and enlisted men. Had you served a couple of minutes in the service, you would know that.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Where's the regulation that allows them to use the latrine?
    There are none and frankly it is pathetic that so many have relieved themselves thus far. Besides that, Marines don't know what a "latrine" is and their bladders would have exploded by now were there such a regulation.

    However, there is a code that exists amongst the military. There are certain expectations that aren't exactly written down. Commanders are expected to give parties for his officers periodically and they are expected to attend. Officers are also expected to be married by a certian time, which is supposed to enforce the idea of "family" to the rest. Many things aren't written down. Fraternization involves so much, that a general idea suffices on paper. However, there is more than what is written inside the military. It's a culture not easily explained, which is why people always seem to need to see a link in order to understand what some state.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There you go. A company commander cannot accept an invitation to the wedding of one of his enlisted men. Welcome to the real world! Sex isn't the alpha and omega of fraternization between officers and enlisted men. Had you served a couple of minutes in the service, you would know that.
    I'm pretty sure it's not a matter of "cannot." Certain things are simply frowned upon. But a case where a C.O, a few other officers and NCOs are invited isn't exactly fraternization at all. It's simply an event to celebrate.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There you go. A company commander cannot accept an invitation to the wedding of one of his enlisted men. Welcome to the real world! Sex isn't the alpha and omega of fraternization between officers and enlisted men. Had you served a couple of minutes in the service, you would know that.
    You didn't recognize that there wasn't a comma or any other puncutation between "shared living accomodations" and "other than those directed by operational requirements" (which you bolded)????

    I recognized it.

    And, I served in the 82nd Airborne Division for 4 years...... thats longer than a couple of minutes.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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