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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Which "ones?" I don't. But I know that since the numbers skyrocketed post DADT it very much means that "telling" became the out. But you have always assumed a mission of gay targetting and assumed that gays were being chased down with torches and pitchforks haven't you?
    Um, no, I'm strictly going off what I've read in the news, which tends to represent that if you're caught being gay, you're screwed.

    Feel free to tell me what I think, though, you've done it several times already.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Um, no, I'm strictly going off what I've read in the news, which tends to represent that if you're caught being gay, you're screwed.

    Feel free to tell me what I think, though, you've done it several times already.
    Thats a pretty amusing example since you are relying on "news" coverage of this issue and disputing findings with someone actually in the military.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Yeah, and that someone admitted he didn't know which ones are booted under DADT for pretending to be gay just to get out.

    In other words, I disputed findings with someone actually in the military who actually didn't know the answer.

    He's telling me what to think, you're trying to rewrite events minutes later, it's like you don't need anybody else to actually participate when you can make up the entire conversation yourselves.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Um, no, I'm strictly going off what I've read in the news, which tends to represent that if you're caught being gay, you're screwed.
    You aren't going off of anything other than a self induced idea of things. It's a simple matter of common sense. The military went through two phases under DADT....

    First phase: Immediately after DADT, the numbers exploded. With the military not being allowed to "ask" and the gay not having to "tell," what do you think was the explosion?

    Second phase: Post 9/11 saw these numbers dramatically reduce because it was unnoficially no longer acceptable to merely "tell" your way out of service. Are you aware of the "Military Readiness Enhancement Act?" Probably not. Well, it allowed the military to not have to obey DADT in 2005. You can read about this and actually look at a chart of DADT numbers since its inception to see exacrtly what I have been trying to tell you.

    Don't ask, don't tell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Feel free to tell me what I think, though, you've done it several times already.
    Oh it is clear what you think. You are a victim of being tld some untruths in the name of gay pride. Gays are not the eternal victim you need them to be.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Thats a pretty amusing example since you are relying on "news" coverage of this issue and disputing findings with someone actually in the military.
    Well, he's not really finding anything that disputes the facts. He's heard a few things over the years and thinks he has it figured it out based on the few.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Um, no, I'm strictly going off what I've read in the news, which tends to represent that if you're caught being gay, you're screwed.

    Feel free to tell me what I think, though, you've done it several times already.
    A gay soldier is only screwed, if he/she is stupid enough to actually admit to being gay, or they did something to seriously out themselves.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Thats a pretty amusing example since you are relying on "news" coverage of this issue and disputing findings with someone actually in the military.
    The folks that have actually served in the miltiary are just a buncha homophobes and racists.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The folks that have actually served in the miltiary are just a buncha homophobes and racists.
    Well no not all of them and some are even gay

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Yeah, and that someone admitted he didn't know which ones are booted under DADT for pretending to be gay just to get out.

    In other words, I disputed findings with someone actually in the military who actually didn't know the answer.

    He's telling me what to think, you're trying to rewrite events minutes later, it's like you don't need anybody else to actually participate when you can make up the entire conversation yourselves.
    You didn't dispute anything. You have offerred nothing but assumption into a subject you are clueless about because "free the gay" is the war cry for the outsider. I'm tired of giving you the answers and the evidence. You are obviously hell bent on your misbeliefs. You clearly do not even know the numbers of DADT or the obvious trend that conlcudes most people to a common sense realization. Here's some Internet wisdom in another attempt to learn you beyond the BS...


    Since the policy was introduced in 1993, the military has discharged over 13,000 troops from the military under DADT. The number of discharges per fiscal year under DADT dropped sharply after the September 11 attacks and has remained relatively low since. Discharges exceeded 600 every year until 2009. Don't ask, don't tell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I have stated this exactly to you over and over. Prior to DADT, the military wasn't given black/white rules on what to do with gays. They were largely being ignored. Then the boom hit. "Telling" was all you needed to get out of deployment and uniform. Post 9/11 it wasn't that easy because screw that excuse. And by 2005, the military managed to get Congress to allow us to mostly place DADT as insignificant. You had to screw each other in the hall way or on the General's lawn before you got your nifty little discharge. The military has already sought to move on from DADT, yet you complain as if it will fix all the problems for gays. Like I have stated over andover and over...."DADT has been a burden."

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    While we are at war, the military is more than happy to let gays serve semi openly, as long as they don't make it into a big publicity thing or get any complaints.

    Once we are out of war however, if this policy still exists, then it doesn't matter how well those gays who served semi openly did in Iraq or Afghanistan, the military will be coming for them.

    DADT is a policy that can only truly be enforced during peacetime, and its unfortunate that it will be enforced on many of the gay service men and women who gave much in these two wars.

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