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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    It is against DADT to target. One must "tell" and only a commanding officer may launch an investigation. Anybody below the Commanding Officer that takes it upon themselves to investigate (which is targetting) is subject to NJP or court martial. The majority of gays that have been "forced" out under DADT have been "tellers." You made a mistake by walking into the recruiters office? Become gay. You don't want to deploy? Become gay. Becoming "gay" forced the military to follow the new rules. There is a reason Court Martials rose dramatically after DADT and have declined since 9/11 when the military chose to start ignoring most of the "tellers."
    The ones I keep reading about in the news come off as gay folks who are being booted out for being gay.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

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    That is a very big probablity. The unit cohesion is tighter in the infantry units because they do not suffer from the girl/boy relationships in support units. The moment a homosexual breaks up with his fellow team mate there is friction and the unit suffers. Eventually, plenty of teams will be jostled around to accomodate these frictions and this is the opposite of what we have traditionally tried to accomplish. And the moment he is told that he may not fall in love or date his fellow team member his "rights are violated." Instead of an ackowledgment that there are very real concerns ahead of us, civilians will merely offer "meh." I mean, really, beyond the bumper sticker protests and self-righteous need to validate personal feelings, what do they care?

    These are legitmiate concerns only understood truley by military members. I don't how other militaries deal with this, but they don't exactly fight like us either. Peoplehave brought up the IDF, but the IDF is a very special and unique case.
    I would think that a transfer out of a unit could solve those problems.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The ones I keep reading about in the news come off as gay folks who are being booted out for being gay.
    What "ones?" And what are these numbers you "keep reading about?" 2? 5? The vast majority who have been booted out under DADT you have not read about, because they are not really gay and they got what they wanted. Hell there's plenty of actual gays that have gotten what they want under DADT so why would they seek to complain? Only the few have sought to defend themselves in the media and it is because they screwed up. DADT has been a complete burden.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I would think that a transfer out of a unit could solve those problems.
    Yeah, but that is the problem. A Fire Team is 4. Breaking this up over "dating" issues compromises that core unit strength. It's frowned on for men and women to date within the same unit for a reason. It creates resentments, favoritisms, frictions, jealousies, and so on. This is something infantry units currently don't have. When gays can be "open" we cannot expect them to defy the same rules others already break at the units expense.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    What "ones?" And what are these numbers you "keep reading about?" 2? 5? The vast majority who have been booted out under DADT you have not read about, because they are not really gay and they got what they wanted. Hell there's plenty of actual gays that have gotten what they want under DADT so why would they seek to complain? Only the few have sought to defend themselves in the media and it is because they screwed up. DADT has been a complete burden.
    Oh, for crying out loud. How do you know which ones are really gay and which ones aren't?
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Oh, for crying out loud. How do you know which ones are really gay and which ones aren't?
    I know how many people tried to claim gayness to try to get out, just in my short 4 years in the Army.......
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Yeah, but that is the problem. A Fire Team is 4. Breaking this up over "dating" issues compromises that core unit strength. It's frowned on for men and women to date within the same unit for a reason. It creates resentments, favoritisms, frictions, jealousies, and so on. This is something infantry units currently don't have. When gays can be "open" we cannot expect them to defy the same rules others already break at the units expense.
    I totally understand that. I guess the best way to handle it is to make them accountable to be professional lest they be courtmartialed. Even straight teams have those issues don't they?
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

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    I know how many people tried to claim gayness to try to get out, just in my short 4 years in the Army.......
    I'm sure you do.

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    Okay, since you're going to both lie about me and insult me:




    Now, if you can tell me how signing up for military service when I feel this way about the military would be anything other than dumb, I'd love to hear it.

    Otherwise, not signing up is most definitely the smart thing to do, but doesn't mean that serving in general is stupid.

    This is the part where you either apologize or evade and continue to lie, I leave the choice in your capable hands.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Oh, for crying out loud. How do you know which ones are really gay and which ones aren't?
    Which "ones?" I don't. But I know that since the numbers skyrocketed post DADT it very much means that "telling" became the out. But you have always assumed a mission of gay targetting and assumed that gays were being chased down with torches and pitchforks haven't you?

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I totally understand that. I guess the best way to handle it is to make them accountable to be professional lest they be courtmartialed. Even straight teams have those issues don't they?
    Not as a sexual base amongst each other.

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