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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Yet, you behave as if it is the military that keeps you down. We are an organization on the side. We are not the society you see every single day.
    Not me. Gay service-members.

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    Again....it's society that you will have to contend with. Gays in the military will have a far easier time in the end. Just like women and just like blacks.
    Right. Because, again, more freedom and no command structure.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Not me. Gay service-members.
    Give me a break. You want the military to make a statement for you. Don't you worry about gays in the military. All will be fine for them.

    You remember (or were aware) when female politicians went through that phase of insisting that females should be allowed into the infantry? Do you think any of them were going to sign up or do you think they were merely wanting the military to make yet another social statement for the country? This is the same crap. Most gays in the military don't care about "coming out," because they aren't targetted as you people think. You just want to make your statement as you steer clear of service.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Give me a break. You want the military to make a statement for you. Don't you worry about gays in the military. All will be fine for them.
    Well, thank you for telling me what I want. Obviously you know that so much better than I do.

    Just so you don't get "confused" about that, I was being sarcastic.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    This is the same crap. Most gays in the military don't care about "coming out," because they aren't targetted as you people think. You just want to make your statement as you steer clear of service.
    Wait, you mean they arent targeted cause they havent come out? Right....

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Give me a break. You want the military to make a statement for you. Don't you worry about gays in the military. All will be fine for them.

    You remember (or were aware) when female politicians went through that phase of insisting that females should be allowed into the infantry? Do you think any of them were going to sign up or do you think they were merely wanting the military to make yet another social statement for the country? This is the same crap. Most gays in the military don't care about "coming out," because they aren't targetted as you people think.
    Wow, way to edit your statement after I replied to it.

    At any rate, they're plenty targeted, or else there wouldn't be ousted gay service-members to read about.

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You just want to make your statement as you steer clear of service.
    Really? I do?

    Could you tell me what else I want? Am I hungry for pizza or a sandwich? Would I prefer a blowjob or butt-sex?

    Come on, come on, I'm in a hurry and I need you to tell me what I want so I can get on with wanting it already!
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Wait, you mean they arent targeted cause they havent come out? Right....
    One, they aren't targetted because DADT prevents that. DADT has been a burden that forced the issue of mass courts martial because it laid out distinct black and white rules and gave non-hackers an easy way out. And two, beyond the individual's views, even the Marine Corps would rather not even address gays as an issue, which is where the military was headed naturally before Clinton's blunder of DADT. As defiant towards gays as former military members seem to be, civilians are equally radical in their beliefs of the "hell" gays endure. In 18 years I have never had a gay get forced out in my units. Not that I'm aware of anyway.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    IMHO the biggest problem with allowing gays to serve openly is that you will have many more cases of gay members getting involved with other gay members in the same unit. Anyone with half a brain knows the problems that will come from that. Problems like that can completely destroy the cohesion of a small unit which can and will get guys killed. And before any one says that inter unit dating wont be allowed you and I know that it will happen just like it goes on now with men an women in the same unit. While I do think that DADT should go away it is for sure going to cause problems that don't happen now or at least happen a lot less often.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    meh 10 char

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Wow, way to edit your statement after I replied to it.
    I edited as you replied to it. I do that often, because I actually think about my posts rather than bang on my seriously cool new laptop. You may retort that I should think about them bfore I submit....well....whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    At any rate, they're plenty targeted, or else there wouldn't be ousted gay service-members to read about.
    It is against DADT to target. One must "tell" and only a commanding officer may launch an investigation. Anybody below the Commanding Officer that takes it upon themselves to investigate (which is targetting) is subject to NJP or court martial. The majority of gays that have been "forced" out under DADT have been "tellers." You made a mistake by walking into the recruiters office? Become gay. You don't want to deploy? Become gay. Becoming "gay" forced the military to follow the new rules. There is a reason Court Martials rose dramatically after DADT and have declined since 9/11 when the military chose to start ignoring most of the "tellers."

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    IMHO the biggest problem with allowing gays to serve openly is that you will have many more cases of gay members getting involved with other gay members in the same unit.
    That is a very big probablity. The unit cohesion is tighter in the infantry units because they do not suffer from the girl/boy relationships in support units. The moment a homosexual breaks up with his fellow team mate there is friction and the unit suffers. Eventually, plenty of teams will be jostled around to accomodate these frictions and this is the opposite of what we have traditionally tried to accomplish. And the moment he is told that he may not fall in love or date his fellow team member his "rights are violated." Instead of an ackowledgment that there are very real concerns ahead of us, civilians will merely offer "meh." I mean, really, beyond the bumper sticker protests and self-righteous need to validate personal feelings, what do they care?

    These are legitmiate concerns only understood truley by military members. I don't how other militaries deal with this, but they don't exactly fight like us either. Peoplehave brought up the IDF, but the IDF is a very special and unique case.
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