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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Whereas it's currently illegal for gays to serve openly, versus the civillian world where discrimination is already illegal and still will be by the time the military catches up.
    You don't seem to get it. Racial discrmination is non-existent in military systems for a reason. It is simply not allowed and offenders are destroyed quickly. We simply do not tolerate unprofessional behavior and a disobediance of policy and order. However, racial court cases are always a matter for civilians aren't they? Long after gays are parading in uniform, gay civilians will be in court defending their rights.

    I have stated this before. Hate the society that makes you feel ashamed, not the military that will transcend this and yet again prove better than the rest. We aren't allowed to hate. You all are.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Rape, assault, fraternization, assault and billeting.
    Those are all administrative problems......
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Civil rights are a never ending battle.
    Right....just not in the military. We are intolerant to disobedience to policy and order and the order states that racial and gender discrimination is not allowed. It's that simple. We don't have courts that seek ways to get the offender off the hook. We don't seek ways to set precedence that allows it under different circumstances. It's simply not allowed. The gay issue will simply be the same.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You tell me. I was talking about age experience, but maturity seems more fitting now.
    I love how nobody has the guts to come out and insult me explicitly.

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Like I stated, you are all over the place and unsure of your own thoughts. 8 years of rift between the White House and Pentagon was about a lack of military support. I lived it. You can read about....or not. The last thing Obama needs now is more Generals speaking out to the media about how they feel about the administration. Clinton didn't have the luxury of only having to deal with one to fire. He dug his hole quick. Obama learned.
    I'm not all over the place at all. I've been consistent on the subject of support -- once again, no President needs it. He just needs the military to carry out his orders.

    Please stop lying about me.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You don't seem to get it. Racial discrmination is non-existent in military systems for a reason. It is simply not allowed and offenders are destroyed quickly. We simply do not tolerate unprofessional behavior and a disobediance of policy and order.
    Well, then, a repeal of DADT should represent no problem whatsoever.

    However, racial court cases are always a matter for civilians aren't they? Long after gays are parading in uniform, gay civilians will be in court defending their rights.[/QUOTE]

    At least gay civilians have the right to defend their rights, whereas in the military they can't be open about their orientation.

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Hate the society that makes you feel ashamed, not the military that will transcend this and yet again prove better than the rest.
    I've been pretty clear about not hating the military. Please stop lying about me.

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    We aren't allowed to hate. You all are.
    Oh, bullocks. Everybody's allowed to hate, it's a question of whether or not we're permitted to act on it.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I've been pretty clear about not hating the military. Please stop lying about me.
    . . . and before MSgt has a chance to lie about me again:


    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Whatever. I'm angry because I expect better of you guys, not because I hate the military.
    I've also made it clear in several posts that my ire is directed at the individuals whose bigotry is so out of control that they'd have a problem serving with an openly gay colleague.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'm not too unprofessional to sign up, I'm just smart enough not to.
    So now people who signed up for the military are dumb?

    See this mods? This ****ing idiot just threw out a personal attack to all DP members who proudly served their country.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    It will. You are absolutely correct. The study currently underway will ensure as smooth a transition as possible. But what some of these people don't seem to realize, despite me beating it into their stubborn little faces, is that after the military has become comfortable with the issues, gays in the civilian sector will still be the source of ridicule in the media, hollywood, and television. The military will be fine. It's the civilian world that will have to have it's legal battles and marches just to catch up with what we enforce.
    Actually, Military gays will then be the source of ridicule in the media, hollywood and television.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So now people who signed up for the military are dumb?

    See this mods? This ****ing idiot just threw out a personal attack to all DP members who proudly served their country.
    Okay, since you're going to both lie about me and insult me:


    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That's insane. You're telling me to join an organization whose rules I can't countenance, spend decades living by those rules, and hope that at some point I will rise to a position that will permit me to influence those rules from the inside.

    No thanks. I'd rather just elect leaders who have the authority to tell you what you're going to do differently, and the moral fiber to actually do so.
    Now, if you can tell me how signing up for military service when I feel this way about the military would be anything other than dumb, I'd love to hear it.

    Otherwise, not signing up is most definitely the smart thing to do, but doesn't mean that serving in general is stupid.

    This is the part where you either apologize or evade and continue to lie, I leave the choice in your capable hands.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'm not all over the place at all. I've been consistent on the subject of support -- once again, no President needs it. He just needs the military to carry out his orders.

    Please stop lying about me.
    It's right here in this thread. You keep making statements and then contradicting them. I've given you three examples.

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