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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Enlist and effect a change. Train soldier how to deal with serving with openly gay soldiers. Put up, or shut up.
    Why would I join an organization where one of my chief duties is to follow orders, when I know I won't be able to reconcile those orders with my personal moral code?
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I quoted you and I'm lieing? Hmmm!
    You've been lying about me. A lot.

    You've been doing it by quoting what I'm saying, and then saying I'm saying something entirely different.

    Please stop lying about me.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well, it is a good point. However, it wasn't my point and I was very clear on it. The research going on right now is how best to impliment an open gay military post DADT not whether or not it is doable. Virtually all studies in the past were focused on why it can't happen. This study is very different. In the Commandants latest address to the Marines he stated that, based on his interviews and polls throughout the Corps, most Marines do not feel comfortable sharing a room with a homosexual. This isn't news. However, it very much goes into how to impliment an inevitable situation, which is what this study is about. Do you have any idea how many people think of "Just Jack" or the Birdcage when someone mentions homosexuality? Who's to blame for this? This current study is focusing on how to educate beyond the American mindset and how to jump the hurdles as painless as possible. Of course, training for our jobs in the mean time is somewhere on the list.

    Do we really need to keep doing this?

    I think the whole gay thing will blow over and people will just be doing their job like before.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Why would I join an organization where one of my chief duties is to follow orders, when I know I won't be able to reconcile those orders with my personal moral code?
    Well, then stop crying about how the military operates, if you're not man enough to get in there and help change it.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I think the whole gay thing will blow over and people will just be doing their job like before.
    Especially, if you don't try to ram it down their throats.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Right, because an outright ban on serving if you're gay was so much better!
    Um...it was, because it was simply ignored. Look at the numbers. Court martials sky rocketed due to DADT because it forced it into the spotlight. This is actually easy stuff here. No amount of sophomoric smilie use will change the truth. Though I amrather fond of this one....

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post

    Feel free to continue to mischaracterize everything I've said while you're at it. It's blatantly obvious to me that honesty is not something you have any interest in, at least within the bounds of this discussion.
    Honesty? I'm not the one behaving like a brick wall and ignoring the points I'm making just to cling to simple slogans and an obtuse sense of how things are.


    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Feel free to fail to take responsibility, or assign it where appropriate, for the military's attitude on homosexuality. Another example of where honesty isn't what you're aiming for.
    Oh....I'm supposed to take respnsibility for centuries of tradition now? Here you demand we be better than civilains, but earlier you declare that we are no better. You also declare us puppets for civilian masters and then seek to fault us for not defying civilian policies. Figure it out and then hold a discussion about honesty. You are all over the place because you are emotional. I'm being as honest as I can with you.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, then stop crying about how the military operates, if you're not man enough to get in there and help change it.
    That's insane. You're telling me to join an organization whose rules I can't countenance, spend decades living by those rules, and hope that at some point I will rise to a position that will permit me to influence those rules from the inside.

    No thanks. I'd rather just elect leaders who have the authority to tell you what you're going to do differently, and the moral fiber to actually do so.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Especially, if you don't try to ram it down their throats.
    Not making thisd change till 20 years or so after the rest of the country has gotten over gays is hardly ramming it down the military's throats.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Why would I join an organization where one of my chief duties is to follow orders, when I know I won't be able to reconcile those orders with my personal moral code?
    Stop crying about the lack of professionalism in the military, if you're too unprofessional to be a member of the military, yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Especially, if you don't try to ram it down their throats.
    Gays will be serving and going home to their same sex partners soon with out fear of reprisal. And it really is not any skin off your nose apdst.

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