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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, what I am suggesting is that the President and Congress should decide to rescind those policies, or that a judge should decide that they're unlawful, and that you guys should have to live with that. No more studies (they've already been done), no more debates (they've already been had), no more mealy-mouthed bull**** about unit cohesion (prohibit disruptive relationships, no matter the gender or orientation involved).
    That's abolutely, the worst approach.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Israel has a very liberal attitude towards different sexual lifestyles.

    As for the IDF, the policy here can best be described as... You can tell, but we really don't care.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Aheemmm they have been studying the issue of gays in the millitary for some time:

    1.In 1957, the secretary of the navy appointed a panel to investigate its homosexual exclusion policy. The outcome, known as the Crittenden report, stated that “the number of cases of blackmail as a result of past investigations of homosexuals in negligible” and “no factual data exist to support the contention that homosexuals are a greater risk than heterosexuals.”i

    What Does the Empirical Research Say about the Impact of Openly Gay Service on the Military? | Palm Center
    Oh..."aheemmm"...allow me to quote exactly what I stated....."The military has never conducted a study to see and prepare for life post DADT." Here, I will do it again...."The military has never conducted a study to see and prepare for life post DADT."

    With your quote, that's three times in one post. What I stated was clear and I addressed the post-DADT world. DADT changed everything and encouraged a zeal to make sure gays no longer existed within the military. Never has the military done an extensive study to determine a post DADT military. This current study (which most civilians seem clueless of) is about implimenting that world, not whether or not it can happen.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Thank you for making me feel old...I got out a year after you went in...
    Damn, you're old and half way dead.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Rape, assault, fraternization, assault and billeting.
    The rest, yeah, but rape? That's self defeating.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Like I stated over and ****ing over and ****ing over to you and the rest.....DADT is a civilian sin. The numbers forced out rose dramatically when civilians forced us to look at the gays in the military with certain outcome. Until DADT, the military was naturally beginning to simply look the other way. It was looked down upon and expected to fly under the radar until the Clinton administration forced gays into the spotlight throughout the military and forced administrative action. We simply followed your policies...."boss."
    DADT was the compromise struck because the military couldn't stand the thought of gays being allowed to serve openly. Because you guys weren't professional enough to handle it.

    You can justify that and rationalize that and dismiss that all you want, it just means that you are incapable of admitting that you as an organization aren't professional enough to look past someone's sexual orientation and see the soldier underneath.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's abolutely, the worst approach.
    That's absolutely the same approach that the rest of us have to live with.

    So much for professionalism.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Oh..."aheemmm"...allow me to quote exactly what I stated....."The military has never conducted a study to see and prepare for life post DADT." Here, I will do it again...."The military has never conducted a study to see and prepare for life post DADT."

    .
    They have been stdying gays in the military for quite some time was my point. And knowing the military I'm I'm sure there is research going on right now.

    Here are a couple more:

    19.Lt. Col. Irene V. Glaeser wrote a study entitled, “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell: Time for Change,” at the U.S. Army War College as a 2009 Strategy Research Project as part of a paper submitted for a Master of Strategic Studies Degree. The paper cites “exhaustive studies” of both “don’t ask, don’t tell” and the experience of foreign militaries to argue that openly gay service does not impair the military and that current policy “needs to be revised and lifted.” Glaeser states that the U.S. has “entered an era of persistent conflict,” and must be “broad-minded and agile enough to adapt.”xx

    20.In Spring 2010, Air University Press, the government-owned publishing arm of the U.S. Air Force, will publish a comprehensive volume on diversity in the Armed Forces. The book, entitled Attitudes Aren’t Free: Thinking Deeply about Diversity in the US Armed Forces, offers a range of perspectives and a framework for improving policy on religious expression, open homosexuality, race, gender, and ethics in the Armed Forces. Palm researchers have written a chapter for the book in light of President Obama’s stated intention to end “don’t ask, don’t tell.” The chapter addresses questions about how best to execute and manage the transition from exclusion of openly gay personnel to inclusion. The Palm chapter addresses the political, legal, regulatory, and organizational steps necessary to ensure that the implementation process goes smoothly.xxi

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That's absolutely the same approach that the rest of us have to live with.

    So much for professionalism.
    Why do you disrespect our service members?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    I am unable to respect those members of our armed services who are unable to overcome their bigotry, hatred and fear because while they are wearing my country's uniform, they are unable to exemplify the values this country stands for.

    This would be the same reason I am unable to respect civilians with the same problem -- because each of us, in our own way, represents this country. Bigotry, hatred and fear bring shame to it.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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