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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Administrative problems.....
    Okay, so like I said, you don't ban or restrict homosexuality, just relationships of any kind that would cause administrative problems.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    That is the issue....thus they are looking into the matter. We all know that gays are going to be able to openly serve in the near future. The big whigs want to be able to have a solid procedure in place for dealing with male/male female/female sexual harassment, how to handle inter-unit relationships in regards to combat units who sleep, eat, work, train, fight, and pretty much live with each other all the time. (not this individual barracks room bull**** in non-combat units where you only have to work with your co-workers). Its these types of issues that they need to work on figuring out.
    This is pretty much correct. What the DoD and Pentagon are doing right now is designing the procedures and training that will happen, and laying out how exactly they would want the regulations to read.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The prejudice is also very much reduced from what it has been. It is much much less of a problem than it has been even 10 years ago, let alone from when I served.
    Hell, yeah it has. This is why the banning of DADT won't be the issue some believe it will be. I came in in 1992, having been raised in the Marine Corps (father retired in 2000.) Homosexuality has always been described as disgusting and without masculinity in these circles. Today, after being bombarded with "gay pride" and so on, it's merely a dismissing topic. Most of us don't see it as something that has to be allowed. We simply donot care.

    The military is merely preparing for the inevitable. The problem willnot be the gays. It will be the hardcore traditionalists throughout the rank structure who continue to hold strong anti-gay opinions. The same thing happened with the issues of women and blacks.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

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    That gave me a good chuckle. Thank you.
    You're welcome.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Like I stated, professionalism is following policy.
    Professionalism also means being able to shelve your personal feelings in order to get a job done. He who is unable to do so is unable to call himself a professional.

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    What you are suggesting is that the military should decide on its own to defy the policies set by the Clinton White House and you wish to label this activity "professionalism."
    No, what I am suggesting is that the President and Congress should decide to rescind those policies, or that a judge should decide that they're unlawful, and that you guys should have to live with that. No more studies (they've already been done), no more debates (they've already been had), no more mealy-mouthed bull**** about unit cohesion (prohibit disruptive relationships, no matter the gender or orientation involved).
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Hell, yeah it has. This is why the banning of DADT won't be the issue some believe it will be. I came in in 1992, having been raised in the Marine Corps (father retired in 2000.) Homosexuality has always been described as disgusting and without masculinity in these circles. Today, after being bombarded with "gay pride" and so on, it's merely a dismissing topic. Most of us don't see it as something that has to be allowed. We simply donot care.

    The military is merely preparing for the inevitable. The problem willnot be the gays. It will be the hardcore traditionalists throughout the rank structure who continue to hold strong anti-gay opinions. The same thing happened with the issues of women and blacks.
    Thank you for making me feel old...I got out a year after you went in...
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Administrative problems.....
    Rape, assault, fraternization, assault and billeting.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Professionalism also means being able to shelve your personal feelings in order to get a job done. He who is unable to do so is unable to call himself a professional.
    You know, you are absolutely rediculous. In one post you scream that the military is to be dragged about at the whim of civilian masters and here you seek to define professionalism as defying orders and policies set forth by those civilians at our whim.

    Let's get something clear. Our "job" is to train fighters and leaders so that they can fight wars and follow orders to the best of their abilities. This is what makes us professional.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, what I am suggesting is that the President and Congress should decide to rescind those policies, or that a judge should decide that they're unlawful, and that you guys should have to live with that. No more studies (they've already been done), no more debates (they've already been had), no more mealy-mouthed bull**** about unit cohesion (prohibit disruptive relationships, no matter the gender or orientation involved).
    And this is exactly what got you butt hurt earlier when I stated that civilians are clueless and form too many baseless opinions. Here is the fact: The military has never conducted a study to see and prepare for life post DADT. The fact that you don't know this tells me exactly howuseful your opinions are to this subject. None of you have any idea of true comraderie or what unit cohesion even means since youy are able to dimiss it so easily. You expect our military to perform as it always has, but deny us what we insist is imperative. Yet you vomit your garbage all over us and expect perfection at every turn to satisfy your social whims of utopia in a society that hasn't even come to terms with it.

    Like I stated over and ****ing over and ****ing over to you and the rest.....DADT is a civilian sin. The numbers forced out rose dramatically when civilians forced us to look at the gays in the military with certain outcome. Until DADT, the military was naturally beginning to simply look the other way. It was looked down upon and expected to fly under the radar until the Clinton administration forced gays into the spotlight throughout the military and forced administrative action. We simply followed your policies...."boss."
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I agree that a massive war such as the 67' or the 73' wars were not seen in the area, but the first Lebanon war (that started in the early 80's) has ended 7 years after the ban was lifted, and it was the most prolonged war in Israel's history, way more than the six days of the six-day war, for example.
    The Yom Kippur War saw the second largest tank battle in history. Had a battle that big, sense?

    Mostly a large collection of firefights, spread out over 15 odd years. It's like comparing Desert Storm to WW2.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Here is the fact: The military has never conducted a study to see and prepare for life post DADT.
    Aheemmm they have been studying the issue of gays in the millitary for some time:

    1.In 1957, the secretary of the navy appointed a panel to investigate its homosexual exclusion policy. The outcome, known as the Crittenden report, stated that “the number of cases of blackmail as a result of past investigations of homosexuals in negligible” and “no factual data exist to support the contention that homosexuals are a greater risk than heterosexuals.”i

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