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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

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    Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled UnconstitutionalNot pointing to any post in particular at the moment, but the namecalling ends now.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I served. I saw what I saw.
    Sounds like you served with some sub-standard NCO's.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    As I said, the first Lebanon war was stretching after 93, and until 2000.
    It could also be pointed out that besides the second Intifada, the second Lebanon war and operation Cast Lead in Gaza, the IDF is always involved in warfare operations.

    Edit: Funny how my comments in this thread always appear in the top of a new page.
    Okay, so in other words (if I may summarize) apdst didn't know what the hell he was talking about?
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I served. I saw what I saw.
    The prejudice against gays goes throughout the ranks. It's a prejudice that society has legitimized for a very long time and is enforced through a long standing policy. To suggest that gays are getting their feelings hurt because of senrio non-commissioned officers is not only dishonest, but stupid.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's exactly right. Therein lies part of the problem. Gays, serving in a combat unit, will create disruptions in getting the job done. It's inevitable.
    I don't see it, especially not after the first few months. Even 20 years ago, maybe, but the younger generation(ie not us) are much more accepting of gays than your or my generation(assuming they are not the same generation, no idea how old you are, though our service did overlap).
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sounds like you served with some sub-standard NCO's.
    Perhaps. They were very enthusiastic with non-judicial, non-Article 15, off-the-books motivational in-house punishment. The big ****ing E-5 Samoan was a big problem. He used to jump us and put us in sleeper holds on the line. They gang-raped a squad mate with a broom.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Okay, so in other words (if I may summarize) apdst didn't know what the hell he was talking about?
    Let me summarize: you misinterpreted my comments.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What do you think it is? Is it prejudice and a lack of professionalism?
    That is exactly what I think it is.

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    If so, what do you propose we do to change that?
    That gays be permitted to serve openly, and that the homophobes get told to **** off if they can't deal with it, because we're the United States military, and we're the best in the world goddammit, and if we can't manage something that other militaries have managed it's because they're better than we are.

    Aside from that Caine had a good point, so maybe you maintain a ban on sex with collegues -- for all genders and orientations.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    The prejudice against gays goes throughout the ranks. It's a prejudice that society has legitimized for a very long time and is enforced through a long standing policy. To suggest that gays are getting their feelings hurt because of senrio non-commissioned officers is not only dishonest, but stupid.
    The prejudice is also very much reduced from what it has been. It is much much less of a problem than it has been even 10 years ago, let alone from when I served.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't see it, especially not after the first few months. Even 20 years ago, maybe, but the younger generation(ie not us) are much more accepting of gays than your or my generation(assuming they are not the same generation, no idea how old you are, though our service did overlap).
    Females have been in the ranks for over 20 years and NCO's in co-ed units are still dealing with sexual harassment, rapes and other improper conduct, rather than training their troops and getting the job done.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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