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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Okay. How about since Israel changed its policy on gays in the IDF in the early 90s? Has the IDF seen what you would classify as prolonged combat (or "real" combat) since then?
    As I said, the first Lebanon war was stretching after 93, and until 2000.
    It could also be pointed out that besides the second Intifada, the second Lebanon war and operation Cast Lead in Gaza, the IDF is always involved in warfare operations.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You've been told what it is. If you're narrow mind won't allow you to get it, then there's nothing more I can do for you.
    No, you haven't told me what it is. The military holds itself to a different standard than the rest of society. You guys are disciplined, honorable, courageous, and feel a deep sense of duty with respect to your service. No, I'm not laughing or being sarcastic.

    What with that being the case, you need to explain why it is that gays serving openly would affect unit cohesion.

    Simply saying "that's how society is" doesn't cut it. When you guys sign up, you get torn down and rebuilt from the ground up into something better than a slave to your prejudices, or so I thought.

    That's why this subject makes me so mad, I expect better of you guys, and I want to know why you can't seem to deliver!
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What makes you think that the NCO corps is endorsing the harassment of gays?
    I would tend to think it is unlikely that this is happening. First off the NCO corps is not some unified entity, and secondly, my experience is that most NCO's don't have patients with anything disrupting getting the job done, and that would include harassment of people.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Dealing with possible inter-unit romatic relationships in a combat unit (note I said combat) is not something that our military has much experience with, administratively.
    So then why isn't the issue "you can be gay, but you can't do your colleagues," rather than "you can't serve and be openly gay" or "you can't serve if you're gay?"
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Stop deflecting -- if it isn't a professionalism issue that would have openly serving gays disrupting unit choesion, what is it?
    What do you think it is? Is it prejudice and a lack of professionalism? If so, what do you propose we do to change that?
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What makes you think that the NCO corps is endorsing the harassment of gays?
    I served. I saw what I saw.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Edit: Funny how my comments in this thread always appear in the top of a new page.
    Just think of it as an indication your comments are tops!

    You served in the IDF, no? Was it after gays where allowed to serve?
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Society did this to you huh
    Oh, another gay with his feelings hurt.

    It's really an easy concept. Why was women's emancipation and black equality such a struggle? Was it perhaps because society largely developed an idea of what our civilization is suuposed to look like over a period of time? Of course. Why then is it so hard to acccept that since society has frowned upon homosexuality since our beginning, that the military has a magic wand that the society does not?

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Unfortunately, you are proving otherwise. You see, when a person accuses the military of being unproffessional and that "it makes sense," he does maintain a streak of hatred towards it.
    Whatever. I'm angry because I expect better of you guys, not because I hate the military.

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You have been given your answers over and over despite asking the same boringly laced questions. Like them or not there they are. The military is professional enough to follow the policy set by civilians. DADT is of White House origin. Eventually, gays will serve openly. The prejudice of an American society is reflected within our military. You can beat on the military over andover fromthe safetly of your keyboard, but in the end, the frustration you see in the mirror comes from our society...not the military aspect of it.
    Can you just admit that it's a professionalism issue, without all the secondary and tertiary justifications?
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I would tend to think it is unlikely that this is happening. First off the NCO corps is not some unified entity, and secondly, my experience is that most NCO's don't have patients with anything disrupting getting the job done, and that would include harassment of people.
    That's exactly right. Therein lies part of the problem. Gays, serving in a combat unit, will create disruptions in getting the job done. It's inevitable.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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