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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You could argue that Israel has been in prolonged low level conflict for quite a few years actually.
    That's how I felt about it, but I figured I'd get a more local perspective.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    NCO's say that it's unacceptable to sexually harass female soldiers, but it happens. NCO's say that it's unacceptable to assault another soldier, but it happens. NCO's say that it's unacceptable to rape another soldier, but it happens. Are you going to blame every ill, within the military on the NCO corps?
    Not at all. **** happens. But if the NCO corps resist gays openly serving and actually endorse harassment, then it will never fly. They are the gate keeper.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Don't blame the military. Blame society.
    Stop deflecting -- if it isn't a professionalism issue that would have openly serving gays disrupting unit choesion, what is it?
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Not at all. **** happens. But if the NCO corps resist gays openly serving and actually endorse harassment, then it will never fly. They are the gate keeper.
    What makes you think that the NCO corps is endorsing the harassment of gays?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Stop deflecting -- if it isn't a professionalism issue that would have openly serving gays disrupting unit choesion, what is it?
    You've been told what it is. If you're narrow mind won't allow you to get it, then there's nothing more I can do for you.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Not at all. **** happens. But if the NCO corps resist gays openly serving and actually endorse harassment, then it will never fly. They are the gate keeper.
    This is part of what the year long DOD report being worked on is going to address from what I have heard. How to train NCO's and officers on handling issues that arise. Based on the Rand study done a couple years ago, open resistance seems unlikely however.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Why is it that you can train an individual to become a professional dispenser of death and destruction in a handful of months, but figuring out the best way to deal with gay people takes years?
    It hasn't taken months, its taken centuries.

    Yes, the act of training that specific individual took months, but DEVELOPING the methods of training combat soldiers is something that societies have been doing for centuries.... its an artform we've come to understand, and now we just adapt ever so slightly every few decades as war strategies change...

    Dealing with possible inter-unit romatic relationships in a combat unit (note I said combat) is not something that our military has much experience with, administratively.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Don't blame the military. Blame society.
    Society did this to you huh

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I don't hate the military. I'm disappointed in them.
    Unfortunately, you are proving otherwise. You see, when a person accuses the military of being unproffessional and that "it makes sense," he does maintain a streak of hatred towards it. Like it or not, upholding the Commander-in-Chiefs DADT policy is a matter of professionalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That said, I will ask the question one more time: is the reason that unit cohesion would be impacted by gays serving openly the fact that our military isn't professional enough to set aside personal prejudice in the name of serving their country?
    You have been given your answers over and over despite asking the same boringly laced questions. Like them or not there they are. The military is professional enough to follow the policy set by civilians. DADT is of White House origin. Eventually, gays will serve openly. The prejudice of an American society is reflected within our military. You can beat on the military over andover fromthe safetly of your keyboard, but in the end, the frustration you see in the mirror comes from our society...not the military aspect of it.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Frankly unit cohesion could only be undermined by people who hate gays. Ive seen a flaming homo during basic in the bay a floor beneath us and nobody seemed to mind him much.
    This is an exaggeration. It is entirely possible to be against gays serving openly without hating gays. Over the top rhetoric is not of value from either side in the discussion.
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