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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, in that case, the military will just go back to the pre-DADT regulations--an outright ban on gays in the military. I'm not sure if this is going to have the effect that people are looking for.
    How do you figure that any court decision which throws out DADT is going to let stand a ban on gays in the military?
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Tell me that, this time next year, when DADT is still in place.
    You weren't aware that DADT is in the USC. That meant you were ignorant on the subject.

    As for this time next year, that's an asinine challenge. Getting something up to the level of the USSC, much less getting a decision out of them, takes longer than that when there isn't a legitimate need for a speedy decision.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    How do you figure that any court decision which throws out DADT is going to let stand a ban on gays in the military?
    Because the ban, which is part of DoD regulations, is still in place. The 9th Circus only ruled that DADT is unconstitutional, not the military's ban on gays.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You weren't aware that DADT is in the USC. That meant you were ignorant on the subject.

    As for this time next year, that's an asinine challenge. Getting something up to the level of the USSC, much less getting a decision out of them, takes longer than that when there isn't a legitimate need for a speedy decision.
    Ok, this time 20 years from now, when DADT is still in place, we'll see what you think...LOL!!!
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You mean to tell me, that after all this time, they just now thought about ruling DADT unconstitutional? Surely, they're more creative than that. No, I think they know, as most of do, that they have no authotiry to abolish DADT, regardless of what they think it is.
    Because the case just now got before the judge? It was filed in 2004 IIRC.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because the ban, which is part of DoD regulations, is still in place. The 9th Circus only ruled that DADT is unconstitutional, not the military's ban on gays.
    First off, any decision on DADT could easily include language which would also address any outright ban on homosexuality.

    Second off, DoD regulations have less weight than law. They are issued by the DoD rather than passed and signed into law. The President can tell the DoD to shove it on a DoD regulation any time he wants.

    As such, even if a final court decision somehow failed to address an outright ban, the President could take advantage of DADT being struck down toss out the DoD regulations on the subject.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Whatcha wanna bet that DADT doesn't go away, because of this ruling? Hell, Obama can't even abolish DADT by executive order. If he could, he would.
    Obama can suspend DADT but cannot abolish it as I understand it. Further, if he does that with executive order, then the next president can simply change it again, and playing musical regulations is not a good thing. For those reasons, Obama wants congress to do it the proper way. All of this is widely reported on and has been discussed with you in the past.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    DADT isn't going anywhere. grow up and live with it.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, in that case, the military will just go back to the pre-DADT regulations--an outright ban on gays in the military. I'm not sure if this is going to have the effect that people are looking for.
    This is incorrect. There no longer is an outright ban on gays serving, so if the ruling goes to SCOTUS and is rules unconstitutional, gays could serve openly.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    DADT isn't going anywhere. grow up and live with it.
    This is highly unlikely. Most likely when the DOD finishes it's review on DADT policy early next year, congress will rescind DADT. If they do not, the courts will most likely do it for them.
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