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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Except, this isn't one of those times.

    I think everyone should just accept that DADT is going to be around for a while. If this stunt would have worked, they would have done it a long time ago. This is nothing but a ploy to put DADT back in the headlines, since it was obviously dropped from view.
    I'd be interested to see the look on your face when the Supreme Court rules against it.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The court of appeals has every jurisdiction over US laws, and that is what is at issue, a US law. You are entirely, 100 % factually incorrect.
    You mean to tell me, that after all this time, they just now thought about ruling DADT unconstitutional? Surely, they're more creative than that. No, I think they know, as most of do, that they have no authotiry to abolish DADT, regardless of what they think it is.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    There is not a single person within the jurisdiction of the United States who is not subject to the law, and the Constitution is pretty clear about which is the highest code of law in the land.
    Whatcha wanna bet that DADT doesn't go away, because of this ruling? Hell, Obama can't even abolish DADT by executive order. If he could, he would.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    This isn't a matter of objective fact. It's a matter of opinion.
    Care to show me one single precedent where an appeals court forced the military to change a regulation because it was unconstitutional?
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Whatcha wanna bet that DADT doesn't go away, because of this ruling?
    As of this ruling, it's already out the door. It's been ruled unConstitutional. That only changes if and when a higher court rules otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hell, Obama can't even abolish DADT by executive order. If he could, he would.
    Well, no **** he can't, it was instituted by an act of Congress. You know, a law. No President can abolish the law via executive order.

    A judge, however, can throw a law out by judicial fiat.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Care to show me one single precedent where an appeals court forced the military to change a regulation because it was unconstitutional?
    Why do I have to show you a precedent? It's part of the United States Code, specifically Title 10. That means that a Federal court has jurisdiction.

    Even if it wasn't part of the USC, the fact is that the Constitution clearly defines itself as the highest law in the land, so any law or regulation or order which contradicts it must be thrown out.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    As of this ruling, it's already out the door. It's been ruled unConstitutional. That only changes if and when a higher court rules otherwise.



    Well, no **** he can't, it was instituted by an act of Congress. You know, a law. No President can abolish the law via executive order.

    A judge, however, can throw a law out by judicial fiat.
    DADT is a part of US Code, or a part of DoD regulations? If the latter, then the executive branch has no authority to force it's abolition. This is nothing but a bluff.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    DADT is a part of US Code
    United States Code: Title 10,654. Policy concerning homosexuality in the armed forces | LII / Legal Information Institute

    There you go.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If the latter, then the executive branch has no authority to force it's abolition. This is nothing but a bluff.
    No, this is nothing but your ignorance.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Why do I have to show you a precedent? It's part of the United States Code, specifically Title 10. That means that a Federal court has jurisdiction.

    Even if it wasn't part of the USC, the fact is that the Constitution clearly defines itself as the highest law in the land, so any law or regulation or order which contradicts it must be thrown out.
    Well, in that case, the military will just go back to the pre-DADT regulations--an outright ban on gays in the military. I'm not sure if this is going to have the effect that people are looking for.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Tell me that, this time next year, when DADT is still in place.
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