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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Are there any valid reasons to keep DADT in place?
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Are there any valid reasons to keep DADT in place?
    The typical list...

    1. Letting gays serve openly could harm unit cohesion.
    2. Letting gays serve openly could harm retention and recruitment.
    3. We haven't heard from the soldiers about how they feel. (The Pentagon study is due to be released in December after the elections)
    4. We will have to segregate gays from the rest of the population with special facilities.
    5. It harms the integrity of the military.
    6. The military might have to provide benefits to the spouses of enlisted gay men and women.
    7. Most military commanders don't like the idea of having gays serving openly in the military.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The typical list...

    1. Letting gays serve openly could harm unit cohesion.
    2. Letting gays serve openly could harm retention and recruitment.
    3. We haven't heard from the soldiers about how they feel. (The Pentagon study is due to be released in December after the elections)
    4. We will have to segregate gays from the rest of the population with special facilities.
    5. It harms the integrity of the military.
    6. The military might have to provide benefits to the spouses of enlisted gay men and women.
    7. Most military commanders don't like the idea of having gays serving openly in the military.
    none of those reasons seem completely valid or logical to me.
    I doubt their is any evidence to suggest that Gay people negatively effect a unit's cohesion.
    Recruits will have to work with gay people once they get out into civilian world so that makes no sense.
    How the soldiers feel about it is largely irrelevant because this is a minority equal rights issuie.
    I don't understand why gays would need special facillities, I mean aren't military showers basically in and out? (I imagine scheduling different shower times wouldn't be an icebreaker anyways)
    To think allowing gay people to serve harms the integrity of our military is pretty pathetic.
    Of course they would have to provide the same benefits as a straight couple would recieve, only fair.
    I highly doubt most commanders would not like the idea of Gays serving openly, from what I have heard many actually would like to see it repealed.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    There are abbreviations. None of which reduces the rank to a former rank. A Sergeant is a Sergeant. No matter how many stripes, soldiers are always simply "Sergeant."

    And "Sergeant First Class" may be why soldiers reduce it to "Sergeant." It is far more practical to call some one Sergeant and then Staff Sergeant and then Gunnery Sergeant (or Gunz) and then Master Sergeant (or Top) and then Master Guns.
    Its a part of Army Regulation that E-5 through E-7 be called "Sergeant".... anyone above that is Master Sergeant, First Sergeant, or Sergeant Major (We don't call Command Sergeant Majors their full rank either).
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Does anyone of these detractors want to address the fact that thousands of gay servicemen exist and it hasnt harmed the military? You can argue unit cohesion but there are plenty of differences between soldiers that they ignore already: race, religion, gender, pay, background, social status, political opinions, personal opinions, etc etc etc. They are all points which soldiers may disagree and harm unit cohesion, but somehow they still function because we are ADULTS.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    How dare this activist judge does what 75% of the country wants! How dare she stand up for free speech! This is an atrocity and will have severe repercussions! It will be massive sodomy throughout the ranks!
    75% of the country isn't in the military. This is a decision for the military to make. Only the military can make a sound decision on this issue, plus they are the ones that have to deal with the consequences of any decision on DADT. Not some radical judge in Cali, trying to score PC brownie point with her Libbo pals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    75% of the country isn't in the military. This is a decision for the military to make. Only the military can make a sound decision on this issue, plus they are the ones that have to deal with the consequences of any decision on DADT. Not some radical judge in Cali, trying to score PC brownie point with her Libbo pals.
    Funny how public opinion only matters when it's convenient for some people...

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    none of those reasons seem completely valid or logical to me.
    I doubt their is any evidence to suggest that Gay people negatively effect a unit's cohesion.
    Recruits will have to work with gay people once they get out into civilian world so that makes no sense.
    How the soldiers feel about it is largely irrelevant because this is a minority equal rights issuie.
    I don't understand why gays would need special facillities, I mean aren't military showers basically in and out? (I imagine scheduling different shower times wouldn't be an icebreaker anyways)
    To think allowing gay people to serve harms the integrity of our military is pretty pathetic.
    Of course they would have to provide the same benefits as a straight couple would recieve, only fair.
    I highly doubt most commanders would not like the idea of Gays serving openly, from what I have heard many actually would like to see it repealed.
    Yet, most vets on this board, along with the JCS, say they are valid reasons. We're all wrong?!?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    75% of the country isn't in the military. This is a decision for the military to make. Only the military can make a sound decision on this issue, plus they are the ones that have to deal with the consequences of any decision on DADT. Not some radical judge in Cali, trying to score PC brownie point with her Libbo pals.
    It's not the type of decision historically made by the military, nor should it be.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Funny how public opinion only matters when it's convenient for some people...
    I've never factored in public opinion, when it comes to decisions being made about our military. There less referendum on our military, than any other aspect of our country.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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