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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    The MOS' across the branches have changed drastically over the last two decades. I came in a 2512, which turned into 0612, which incorporated the former 2514/0614 MOS.

    I never understood why the Army and Air Force congratulate the promoted and insist on calling them the same rank throughout their careers.
    must be an Air Force thing because in the Army we believe that you earned the rank and you deserve to be called by it. I, for one, would never dream of calling a SSG, SFC, MSG, 1SG or SGM, "sarge". However, i will and have on numerous occasions called a 2LT, "dumbass"

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    no
    That's right, you can't. Because it's in violation of the Army's sexual harassment policy. Correct? The same will be said about gays and straights sharing billets. In fact, the commandant of the Marine Corps has already said that gays and straights won't be able to share billets.



    but I think you should. what the hell...this isn't the freakin middle ages. I personally think if you are going to have a coed service then everyone should ****, shave, shower and sleep together. If you can't act like a fraking responsible adult, then I don't want your immature ass serving with me.
    C'mon, we both know better. There just aren't that many 18 y/o with that level of maturity. Most of those boys have never seen a pussy in real life. You think they're not going to be-a-lookin'? When those sex hormone take over, people automatically do stupid ****. I'm sure you know that better than I do.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

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    C'mon, we both know better. There just aren't that many 18 y/o with that level of maturity. Most of those boys have never seen a pussy in real life. You think they're not going to be-a-lookin'? When those sex hormone take over, people automatically do stupid ****. I'm sure you know that better than I do.
    and how is letting gay dude serve going to make the situation any worse? If we are going to let women serve then we have no logical reason to not also allow gays to serve. now if you want to talk about repealing woomen's right to serve...then that would be a discussion for a separate thread.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and how is letting gay dude serve going to make the situation any worse? If we are going to let women serve then we have no logical reason to not also allow gays to serve. now if you want to talk about repealing woomen's right to serve...then that would be a discussion for a separate thread.
    You watch yourself now oscar, or I'm gonna tear up the picture of you that I printed and hung here next to my computer.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    must be an Air Force thing because in the Army we believe that you earned the rank and you deserve to be called by it. I, for one, would never dream of calling a SSG, SFC, MSG, 1SG or SGM, "sarge". However, i will and have on numerous occasions called a 2LT, "dumbass"
    When I was active duty, I have never called an active duty sargeant who was not a friend of mine "sarge". It was always sargeant. However, off duty, and in this forum, yes, I do use the diminutive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am pretty sure that is not the rationale used. I believe it has more to do with not wanting women in combat than worrying about fraternization. I am sure you will have no problem backing up that statement though.
    Several reasons, actually. The reason you pointed out, along with unit cohesion, fraternization, sexual harassment. Yes, your addition to my comment is correct.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

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    You watch yourself now oscar, or I'm gonna tear up the picture of you that I printed and hung here next to my computer.
    not saying i would ever agree with it, just that such a discussion should take place in a thread dedicated to it

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Why are people even debating this?

    The issue is settled. Whether you believe homosexuality is a sin, a character flaw, a mental disorder, an addiction, etc. and whether you believe that gays will be a distraction in the military, that this is an act of "social engineering", etc., it doesn't change the one fact that matters.

    DADT was UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

    The military cannot infringe upon our basic Constitutional rights whether we are gay or straight. The military exists to protect our Constitutional rights, as well as to protect us from foreign threats.
    The military can and does infringe on soldiers's basic constitutional rights, everday. Soldiers don't have the same right to free speech that a civilian does. Soldiers's don't have the same right to associate with who they want, or the right to be a part of any club, or orginization they choose.

    The 9th Circus has no authority to dictate to the military what it's regulations can, or cannot, make illegal. nor should it. The military being regulated by the judicial branch would be the most dysfunctional way to go about raunning a standing army. It would be plmb nuts and thousands of American would suffer, because of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and how is letting gay dude serve going to make the situation any worse? If we are going to let women serve then we have no logical reason to not also allow gays to serve. now if you want to talk about repealing woomen's right to serve...then that would be a discussion for a separate thread.
    Women cannot serve in combat arms units. That is the point I'm making. IMO, there shouldn't be any co-ed units in the Army, or Marine Corps. They should be all male, or all female. BTW, what's your branch of arms?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by opinion8tdwench View Post
    Oh, I firmly believe that once we had gone in there, we truly should have pushed for deunification (okay, its not a word, But I like it anyway). These people will never be able to live together in peace. Not for long anyway. Or at least I dont see it happening. I try not to use definitives often, but I really just cant imagine it.
    It's because it is unnatural. Even Europe is divided along tribal lines. Yugoslavia was the only country not to have its borders redrawn after WWII and right after the Cold War it took action on its own to draw lines. When the British gave India its independence, Hindu and Muslim agreed that a separation was best and they created Pakistan. Slaughters and ethnic cleansing in Africa are all centered around tribal (or clan) identity within borders. And an Iraq without a dictator's oppression and brutality is an Iraq where tribes clashed. Borders have historically separated tribes. Europe's brief intermission from the norm to satisfy kings and kaisers forced an unnatural state upon the earth. One for which hundreds of millions are paying for.

    What will anger me is if Iraq dissects apart people will use it as proof that ultimate failure came true just to justify their inability to analyze correctly. If Iraq stays whole it will defy history's sense of organization. But if it creates new borders, then is the natural course. It's not failure. Our mission was clear.

    Even in pre-colonial Africa where there were no "tribes," people separated into distinct communities of family and friends.


    Quote Originally Posted by opinion8tdwench View Post
    There is too much bad blood..And no Romeo and Juliet around to show them the error of their feud. And I don't see the existing government sticking around as it is for very long. For the citizens of that part of the world, religion is not part of their lives..it is their lives. And they work best under a theocracy. It can be a democratic theorcracy, but they will always turn to their religious leaders, and it is only natural that their religious leaders also be their governmental leaders.
    This is the uphill struggle Christianity did not have to tackle and this is why too many people have trouble identifying the hurdles. Even when Constantinople created the first Christian empire there was a sense of separation. And the Catholic Church was always at odds with "devine" kings. Islam's world has very distinct hurdles. Unfortunately, Muhammad wasn't just an activist. He became a judge, a general, and then his own soveriegn. Islam began as government once it was established in Mecca. Where are Muslims in this region supposed to easily go from here? There's a reason that religion and civilization gets healthier the further away from this region it gets.
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