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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well, their military coups every 15 or so years to replace a screwed up government and recharges it before giving it back to the people. You tell me where our country is headed and what you think is the cure. I don't trust any Republican or Democrat.

    Iraq is the ultimate proof of civilian disaster. It wasn't until they butted out and gave all operational control over to the military that it turned around. The Gulf War was proof that an absence of civilian control brings swift "victory." Korea, Vietnam, Beirut, Somalia, Bosnia, Afghanistan, and Iraq's fist half are all disasters engineered by civilians. Generals should have more of a say in what is and is not the enemy and how to deal with them. But because Washington is loaded with the anti-war protestors of Vietnam and the wealthy who look down upon the military as a waste of time and life, we will continue to get the civilian's ideas on how to stumble and trip through foreign policy.
    Maybe we should put the military in charge of everything, like in Burma.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    We are all pawns. I make no argument against this. Just that pawns deserve this country more than the sloths.
    "Deserves" has nothing to do with it.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    The only example you got right was with blacks.
    Um...no. Women were officers long before they were managers. They were Colonels long before they were CEOs. And gays have a very hard time convincing courts that they were fired because they were gay.

    This is exactly what I have been talking about in regards to ignorance being a base for sophomore opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    "Deserves" has nothing to do with it.
    Only to those who received their priveledges by merely being born here.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by opinion8tdwench View Post
    This is where, sadly, Msgt, our political differences are going to seriously blaze forth. The enemy? Which enemy do you mean exactly? Should I just stop here, and leave it at this, or should we go all out? It could get ugly..
    Well, currently my enemy is the radical and extremist base of Islam. Local fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan are merely caught up in the fight. What are you talking about?

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Um...no. Women were officers long before they were managers. They were Colonels long before they were CEOs. And gays have a very hard time convincing courts that they were fired because they were gay.

    This is exactly what I have been talking about in regards to ignorance being a base for sophomore opinions.
    "Sophomore" opinions, huh?

    I would ask you for proof, but I doubt you would deign to comply, as ever.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Only to those who received their priveledges by merely being born here.
    Are you a reader of Heinlein by any chance Sgt? In one of his futuristic societies, one can only become a citizen by serving. Being a citizen gives you nothing extra over regular people in the country but the right to vote. One must have done service before one is allowed to vote. However, in this society, one becomes a citizen AFTER they have finished their term. In other words, you must have served in the past to make those decisions, but you have no say WHILE you are serving. The rationale behind this, being that if one is alreayd serving, one is too close to the action to make calls on it. I honestly always liked the idea.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Only to those who received their priveledges by merely being born here.
    The word you are looking for is "rights".

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Well, currently my enemy is the radical and extremist base of Islam. Local fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan are merely caught up in the fight. What are you talking about?
    See, they are an enemy of sorts. But the problem is that we cant fight them conventionally. As you said..too many others caught up in it. Now, bear in mind, that ex military or not, I am, for the most part a pacifist. I would not refuse to take up arms if attacked, but beyond that..
    You can't fight terrorism with guns. For every terrorist you kill, you breed 10 more. They multiply exponentially. Our military is not useless in the fight..but to just send them out fighting is not the way to solve this issue. And we are straying far off subject, and likely to get redress yelling at us to stay on topic.
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