Thread: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

Originally Posted by Vincent

It will be fascinating to watch what happens. Some studies have suggested that a significant number of troops wouldn't reenlist if gays were allowed to serve openly. It'll be very interesting to see if that comes to pass, and if so, what the result is for the military.

Yep, we'll see. Given today's economy I doubt soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines will jeopardize their families livelihood just because they might have to serve with someone who is gay.

The ironic thing of course will be those that leave the military because of this only to get a job in the civilian sector working with someone that is gay lol.

Originally Posted by CriticalThought

Link to studies?

I don't remember where, it was about two years ago, right as Obama was getting elected, lol. I think it was from the Center for Military Readiness or something like that.

Originally Posted by Vincent

I don't remember where, it was about two years ago, right as Obama was getting elected, lol. I think it was from the Center for Military Readiness or something like that.

Cough...you lied...cough.

Um...yeah, I'm sure it is just lost. I mean it isn't like this issue has been in the news the last few months and if there were such a study then every person who was against the repeal would be citing it in every soundbyte.

I heard on Stossel that a study showed that 14% of soldiers said they would consider not re-enlisting if DADT was repealed. I think DADT should and will be repealed, but I don't care for the courts interfering and think the timing is not right, with our troops serving in combat zones overseas.

I think 20 years from now, folks will look back and wonder what the fuss was all about. That said, this is the kind of thing we should iron out during peace time. It will have some affect on morale and unit cohesion (polls show the rank and file members support DADT strongly) and do we really want to add that to what our troops are already going through overseas?

As for the courts, they need to butt out. The military's sole purpose is to be an effective fighting force. If the military determines that left handed red heads are detrimental to that purpose, then the military is free to discriminate against left handed redheads.

Originally Posted by MrVicchio

WOOT Social Engineer the Armed Forces more! **** their mission, **** what's best! POLITICAL CORRECTNESS ROCK!!

You might have had a point...if this was 20, 30, 40 years ago. Today, your point fails miserably, since the rest of society handles gays with no trouble. It's not social engineering, it's being a part of society.

I wonder how many soldiers would have stated, or perhaps did not, re-enlist or seek to join the military immediately before and after segregation was ended? Probably a fair number to be concerned, however it happened and in the end it obviously made the military stronger. Soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen put up with and deal with willingly conditions and situations which no would deny are tough, and from my experience people in those situation quickly forget about the stuff that doesn't really matter. And what your fellow soldier doesn't in his private time is one of those things. I can't think of a single instance in American history where making the military both more inclusive and egalitarian has harmed it.

Take into consideration that Mark Bingham, who was one of the leaders of the attempted takeover of United 93 on 9/11, was an openly gay man. However he clearly showed all the qualities necessary to being a good soldier, but would have never been allowed to join the service. Should a person of that quality be denied a chance to serve his country in the military if he wanted?

And lets also remember that only military has a DADT policy, or any kind of special consideration of gay individuals. One could be gay and join the CIA, FBI, police forces, be elected to any public office, or literally do anything that anyone here would consider "service to one's country" but they can't be in the military because soldiers might not like it? Bull****. If Americans literally everywhere can "put up" with a gay person as a co-worker, colleague, or anywhere else in their life than soldiers, who are these same Americans, can to.

Originally Posted by SE102

Huzzah, Harroo, Harray!

'Don't ask, don't tell' policy ruled unconstitutional - CNN.com

It will be appealed.
Ultimately - I'll celebrate when the SCOTUS rules in this same way.

I dunno... First and Fifth Amendments? I find that even harder to take than the gay marriage ruling, which I was expecting this to mimic.

I support repealing DADT though. I really don't get this instinct people have to automatically applaud Constitutional rulings that do something they want done anyways, regardless of whether or not it's actually a good ruling, which should be the entire point. It's kind of troubling, really.

You have such madness in Europe too:

Navy's gay drama classes | The Sun |News

GAY-FEARING sailors could be encouraged to act like homosexuals in bizarre drama sessions, it emerged last night.

A Navy boss revealed he aimed to set up therapy lessons to change “old-fashioned” attitudes in the Senior Service.

In another contemporary article I read, the Admiral also said he'd re-program the minds of sailors with extensive politically-correct gender-bender training.

"As for other initiatives on the drawing board my Policy Team is currently investigating the feasibility of utilising drama-based training resources, to reach some of those whose culture and behaviour need to be brought into line with 21st Century thinking. We believe that such training can be a powerful and innovative medium that can easily be adapted into Service scenarios.

"I am also pleased to be able to confirm that my Diversity Team is working with Gay officers and Stonewall to investigate an overt Service presence at the forthcoming EuroPride festival in London.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...Conference.htm

ROYAL NAVY TO MARCH IN GAY PARADE. - Free Online Library

Royal Navy searching for gay recruits - from Pink News - all the latest gay news from the gay community - Pink News


For those who haven't got it by now:

THE PURPOSE OF AN ARMED FORCE IS TO DEFEND THE REALM AND GO 'ROUND THE WORLD BLASTING THE BADDIES. IT'S NOT TO ACT AS WET NURSE TO A BUNCH OF SHOULDER-BECHIPPED QUEENS WHO INSIST ON THRUSTING THEIR SEXUAL PROCLIVITIES INTO THE WORLD'S FACE!

Unfortunately, the 9th Circus doesn't have any jurisdiction over military regulations.