Thread: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

Originally Posted by Vincent

It will be fascinating to watch what happens. Some studies have suggested that a significant number of troops wouldn't reenlist if gays were allowed to serve openly. It'll be very interesting to see if that comes to pass, and if so, what the result is for the military.

Yep, we'll see. Given today's economy I doubt soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines will jeopardize their families livelihood just because they might have to serve with someone who is gay.

The ironic thing of course will be those that leave the military because of this only to get a job in the civilian sector working with someone that is gay lol.

Originally Posted by Vincent

I don't remember where, it was about two years ago, right as Obama was getting elected, lol. I think it was from the Center for Military Readiness or something like that.

Cough...you lied...cough.

Um...yeah, I'm sure it is just lost. I mean it isn't like this issue has been in the news the last few months and if there were such a study then every person who was against the repeal would be citing it in every soundbyte.

I wonder how many soldiers would have stated, or perhaps did not, re-enlist or seek to join the military immediately before and after segregation was ended? Probably a fair number to be concerned, however it happened and in the end it obviously made the military stronger. Soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen put up with and deal with willingly conditions and situations which no would deny are tough, and from my experience people in those situation quickly forget about the stuff that doesn't really matter. And what your fellow soldier doesn't in his private time is one of those things. I can't think of a single instance in American history where making the military both more inclusive and egalitarian has harmed it.

Take into consideration that Mark Bingham, who was one of the leaders of the attempted takeover of United 93 on 9/11, was an openly gay man. However he clearly showed all the qualities necessary to being a good soldier, but would have never been allowed to join the service. Should a person of that quality be denied a chance to serve his country in the military if he wanted?

And lets also remember that only military has a DADT policy, or any kind of special consideration of gay individuals. One could be gay and join the CIA, FBI, police forces, be elected to any public office, or literally do anything that anyone here would consider "service to one's country" but they can't be in the military because soldiers might not like it? Bull****. If Americans literally everywhere can "put up" with a gay person as a co-worker, colleague, or anywhere else in their life than soldiers, who are these same Americans, can to.

I dunno... First and Fifth Amendments? I find that even harder to take than the gay marriage ruling, which I was expecting this to mimic.

I support repealing DADT though. I really don't get this instinct people have to automatically applaud Constitutional rulings that do something they want done anyways, regardless of whether or not it's actually a good ruling, which should be the entire point. It's kind of troubling, really.