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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    No because gender is a proven genetic trait unlike homosexuality.
    Kinda like heterosexuality. You always seem to forget that fact.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    What you aaid was a single vernacular definition. I was using the social science definition. Neither of us was 100% right.
    LOL No you weren't. You used an interpretation by another organization.

    I don't know what planet you have been living on but here we define words by how the dictionary defines them, not some group's interpretation.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

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    But California can? A state that determined that gay marriage was not a right dares decide that they know what is best for the military and now seeks to lead the gay voice to utopia? I would venture a guess that none of this panel has ever served, but wants the military to lead the way for civilians once again. Blame the military all you want for keeping gays down, but its civilians that have their heads up their asses. From women toblacks, the military has proven to lead the way. I guess they are going to use the military to once again enforce what civilians cannot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    The Ninth Circuit is a federal court, not a state court.
    Correct, and DADT is a federal law, so jurisdiction is not an issue.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't think any one is saying it there won't be some issues when the change happens.......
    Well, be honest. You are one of the few (if not the only) "very liberal" members who have thought beyond the bumper sticker slogans. Most seem upset that the military has refused to use its secret magic wand to make all their socially gay intolerances go away.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Kinda like heterosexuality. You always seem to forget that fact.
    Not for a second. The biological sexual reaction in people is specific to preparation for procreation. Hetero or homo the biological process is the same and since the very act of procreation is heterosexual sex not to mention the sexual organs themselves designed specifically for heterosexual sex proving a genetic link for heterosexuality is easy. Your burden which you continually fail to capitalize on is proving that biological sexual reaction is different for homosexuals which we all know it is not. That is the flaw in your claims to compare the two equally on a genetic basis.

    That is what you keep avoiding because you can't argue against it.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    LOL No you weren't. You used an interpretation by another organization.

    I don't know what planet you have been living on but here we define words by how the dictionary defines them, not some group's interpretation.
    See if your dictionary has an entry for "terms of art."

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Not for a second. The biological sexual reaction in people is specific to preparation for procreation. Hetero or homo the biological process is the same and since the very act of procreation is heterosexual sex not to mention the sexual organs themselves designed specifically for heterosexual sex proving a genetic link for heterosexuality is easy. Your burden which you continually fail to capitalize on is proving that biological sexual reaction is different for homosexuals which we all know it is not. That is the flaw in your claims to compare the two equally on a genetic basis.

    That is what you keep avoiding because you can't argue against it.
    Sooo...the only time any female should ever want sex is when she is ovulating and fertile? Women past the age of menopause have no sex drives whatsoever, since thy can no longer bear children, and men will only find women who are ovulating sexually attractive? Pick another argument.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you are referring to UCMJ article 125

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    “(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.

    (b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall by punished as a court-martial may direct.”

    Elements.

    (1) That the accused engaged in unnatural carnal copulation with a certain other person or with an animal. (Note: Add either or both of the following elements, if applicable)

    (2) That the act was done with a child under the age of 16.

    (3) That the act was done by force and without the consent of the other person.

    Explanation.

    It is unnatural carnal copulation for a person to take into that person’s mouth or anus the sexual organ of another person or of an animal; or to place that person’s sexual organ in the mouth or anus of another person or of an animal; or to have carnal copulation in any opening of the body, except the sexual parts, with another person; or to have carnal copulation with an animal.


    it's not just the UCMJ. look up the word sodomy in any dictionary and see what you get. most of them mention anal or oral copulation between persons or a person and an animal.

    One would hope that, in light of this ruling that the UCMJ would be ammended. I doubt if there are very many heterosexuals in the military that haven't violated 125 at one point or another.

    But leave in the bit about animals...that's just nasty

    As far as DADT, I think it was a stupid idea all along. I have served with and supervised a number of gay soldiers during my time. I didn't ask, they didn't tell...but I could tell and I really didn't give a rat's ass as long as they were doing their job.

    The flaming homos that most of the kneejerkers fear are not the kind of people that would ever join the military in the first place, so no one has to worry about being sodomized in the barracks shower.

    getting rid of DADT will not result in a massive flood of gays rushing to join the military. most of the gays who would be inclined to join already do so, they just try to keep their status secret.

    Any man, woman, gay, or lesbian that has the courage and fortitude to serve their country should be allowed to do so openly and with pride.
    Well said brother!!

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    I've read alot of responses in this thread, and a common theme in post that are against repealing DADT is that it is social engineering.
    But the military is made up of people from the American populous that is willing, and able to serve. And since being gay hinders neither of those, then isn't DADT social engineering as well?
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