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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    actually, drinking alcohol in a combat zone is in direct violation of general order #1 and you can get discharged for violating the order.
    For obvious reasons.. my point was that there is no need for a redundant and proactive ban on drinking for the military as a whole when it suffices to have targeted rules for specific situations, so why is this necessary for sexual conduct/orientation?
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I think in many cases, the 9th circuit court oversteps its bounds. military matters should be left up to the DoD, joint chiefs, CiC and not some liberal court in california
    Military courts do not rule on Constitutional issues.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Military courts do not rule on Constitutional issues.

    The military is a peculiar entity. when you sign that contract you are actually giving up a few of your constitutional rights. there are things that civilians have the right to do that those in the military do not. If people don't like it, they don't have to join. so constitutionality has a slightly different meaning where the military is concerned. that's just the way it is.

    I think it is a bad idea to allow a circuit court in california determine what is or is not appropriate for the entire US military. this in spite of the fact that in this particular case I actually agree with them.

    a thought has just occurred: I wonder how many homosexuals and their supporters would be lobbying for gays in the military if we were in a WWI, WWII, or vietnam type conflict with hundred of soldiers being killed each day and there was a draft going on? just curious.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by opinion8tdwench View Post
    apdst..you are not dealing with different genders. They are still male/female. You cannot compare the two.
    Hmm, I guess I would argue with this, the gender is irrelevant without the sexual component.

    So, actually, a gay man bunking with other men is kind of like men/woman bunking together.

    I understand both sides of this issue, its certainly not black/white as to which side is wrong.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You might have had a point...if this was 20, 30, 40 years ago. Today, your point fails miserably, since the rest of society handles gays with no trouble. It's not social engineering, it's being a part of society.
    It almost feels like a certain segment of society just wants their own little island somewhere where there are no <insert class, race, religion, gender bias, etc> to mess with their utopia.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I wonder how many soldiers would have stated, or perhaps did not, re-enlist or seek to join the military immediately before and after segregation was ended? Probably a fair number to be concerned, however it happened and in the end it obviously made the military stronger. Soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen put up with and deal with willingly conditions and situations which no would deny are tough, and from my experience people in those situation quickly forget about the stuff that doesn't really matter. And what your fellow soldier doesn't in his private time is one of those things. I can't think of a single instance in American history where making the military both more inclusive and egalitarian has harmed it.

    Take into consideration that Mark Bingham, who was one of the leaders of the attempted takeover of United 93 on 9/11, was an openly gay man. However he clearly showed all the qualities necessary to being a good soldier, but would have never been allowed to join the service. Should a person of that quality be denied a chance to serve his country in the military if he wanted?

    And lets also remember that only military has a DADT policy, or any kind of special consideration of gay individuals. One could be gay and join the CIA, FBI, police forces, be elected to any public office, or literally do anything that anyone here would consider "service to one's country" but they can't be in the military because soldiers might not like it? Bull****. If Americans literally everywhere can "put up" with a gay person as a co-worker, colleague, or anywhere else in their life than soldiers, who are these same Americans, can to.
    If we had a "post of the day" here, I'd nominate this one.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    And that's another thing - Private Life.

    I couldn't say the Army was very private. And homosexuality being what it is, I'm not surprised soldiers would at the very least feel very uncomfortable at the idea of Pte. Privates wittering on about his man pussy off base.

    As long as you do your job and don't make waves, certainly. But making a big bloody performance out of it by indulging in gay marches and the like? Blows that right of the water.



    What's more, there have been disgusting cases regarding STRAIGHT servicemen and other public servants being FORCED to indulge the gay love-in and being punished for refusing.

    British Forces at the 2008 Gay Pride March in London Marquesate’s Camouflage Men: Military Gay Erotic Fiction

    Pop mogul-turned-pastor pledges cash to help firemen in gay row - Times Online

    There's no choice any more - you have to do the gay lobby's bidding else you're for it!



    And as for the hypocritical leftist cry of 'if you don't like it then GTFO'? I don't hear them saying that to the likes of the extremist or pushy Muslims!
    The gay lobby? WTF?! Seriously? GLBT are humans with every right inherent to humans, constitution or no.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by SingleCellOrganism View Post
    Hmm, I guess I would argue with this, the gender is irrelevant without the sexual component.

    So, actually, a gay man bunking with other men is kind of like men/woman bunking together.
    not really, since gay men are typically not attracted to heterosexual men. If I know a fellow soldier is gay and he knows that I am not, he will be no more likely to attempt a relationnship with me than a straight guy.

    To suggest that gay and straight men cannot share the same billets underestimates the character of the american soldier.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    If the assumption is that every single gay soldier is a sex crazed maniac that'll rape the other soldiers...

    Just because there are 2 gay people in a unit, does not mean they will automatically fuck...

    The rules of liking someone still apply...
    Isn't this the same argument for why women shouldn't be serving in the armed forces?

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    not really, since gay men are typically not attracted to heterosexual men. If I know a fellow soldier is gay and he knows that I am not, he will be no more likely to attempt a relationnship with me than a straight guy.

    To suggest that gay and straight men cannot share the same billets underestimates the character of the american soldier.
    I don't know what gay experiences you have had, but I can personally attest to gay men being attracted to me (hetero) on multiple occasions. Attraction doesn't start/stop based on a checklist.

    I'm attracted to lesbians, so conversely I would also point out that idea is false.

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