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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    What if 2 different soldiers in the same situation were passing around a bottle of Jack Daniels. Soldiers lives would be in jeopardy. Should the military proactively make any and all drinking grounds for discharge just in case some alcoholic soldiers cannot control themselves in a combat situation?
    Very true, mard. We are dealing with adults. Adults who are capable of controlling themselves, and behaving AS adults. There are those who cant in any group, and they need to be weeded out, and removed from the group. Sexual orientation is irrelevant. Maturity and a willingness to follow orders is what is important.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, I'm saying that if gay soldiers are allowed to serve in combat arms units, a problem will come into existance, that currently doesn't exist.

    If you were in the Army, you should know that there are many cases, where soldiers are incapable of being adults.
    I see no reason why one should. The law is the same. And heterosexuals are not likely to be making out wwith homosexuals. And homosexuals are no more inclined to rape than anyone else, which would also be against the law. And most of the soilders I knew behaved like adults when that was the expectation. When you excuse juvinile behavior, you get what you ask for.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    not really, they will just have to get over it. like they did when they integrated the service. there were white soldiers that didn't want to billet with black soldiers and vice-versa and we got over that.

    As I mentioned earlier the kind of gay person who would want to join the miitary will be the kind of person with the moral character to resist raping his bunkmate. Of course there will be exceptions, but there always are with any situation.
    Can you force a female soldier to bunk with a male soldier?
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I talked about: the 9th Circus doesn't have jurisdiction over military regulations.
    You're right, you did say that. And now still nobody has addressed it. Not that it's definitely true; I have a suspicion that it's not. But I don't know. Does anyone have an argument against this?


    Does anyone here want to talk about the actual topic? Or is just going to be another DADT should-or-shouldn't-it-be-there of a million?

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    apdst..you are not dealing with different genders. They are still male/female. You cannot compare the two.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    What if 2 different soldiers in the same situation were passing around a bottle of Jack Daniels. Soldiers lives would be in jeopardy. Should the military proactively make any and all drinking grounds for discharge just in case some alcoholic soldiers cannot control themselves in a combat situation?
    actually, drinking alcohol in a combat zone is in direct violation of general order #1 and you can get discharged for violating the order.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, you understand better than I because of your extensive military service. Yes?
    So you actually "understand" why it's a court-martial offense to get a blow job from your wife, eh? You're still not helping to make the military look any less retarded if you say yes. There is NO reasonable basis for the military to forbid soldiers from licking pussies or dicks off duty. None. Unless you can come up with something that the rest of us reasonable folks are unable to think of that doesn't have anything to do with a poster's personal life.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Can you force a female soldier to bunk with a male soldier?
    no, but I think you should. what the hell...this isn't the freakin middle ages. I personally think if you are going to have a coed service then everyone should ****, shave, shower and sleep together. If you can't act like a fraking responsible adult, then I don't want your immature ass serving with me.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    no, but I think you should. what the hell...this isn't the freakin middle ages. I personally think if you are going to have a coed service then everyone should ****, shave, shower and sleep together. If you can't act like a fraking responsible adult, then I don't want your immature ass serving with me.
    I agree with you on principle, Oscar. Not sure we are ready for that, yet, but I do hope it gets to that point.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    You're right, you did say that. And now still nobody has addressed it. Not that it's definitely true; I have a suspicion that it's not. But I don't know. Does anyone have an argument against this?


    Does anyone here want to talk about the actual topic? Or is just going to be another DADT should-or-shouldn't-it-be-there of a million?
    I think in many cases, the 9th circuit court oversteps its bounds. military matters should be left up to the DoD, joint chiefs, CiC and not some liberal court in california

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