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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    My point is, that in an infantry unit, that problem doesn't exist, among the ranks. Why? Because there are no females in infantry units.

    Personally, I don't think there sould be ANY co-ed units in the Army. They should be male, or female.
    It shouldn't exist at all. Are you suggesting people can't be adults, and that heterosexual males will have sex willingly with homosexual males?

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What if two soldiers are on a LP/OP--listening post/observation post--and they are playing around, rather than listening and observing. Then, yes, soldiers's lives are in jeopardy. That's no different than falling asleep on gaurd duty.

    In that case, not only would those soldiers being violating the UCMJ, they would be directly disobeying their 1st General Order, another court martial offense.
    What if 2 different soldiers in the same situation were passing around a bottle of Jack Daniels. Soldiers lives would be in jeopardy. Should the military proactively make any and all drinking grounds for discharge just in case some alcoholic soldiers cannot control themselves in a combat situation?
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What if two soldiers are on a LP/OP--listening post/observation post--and they are playing around, rather than listening and observing. Then, yes, soldiers's lives are in jeopardy. That's no different than falling asleep on gaurd duty.

    In that case, not only would those soldiers being violating the UCMJ, they would be directly disobeying their 1st General Order, another court martial offense.
    LMFAO

    Yeah, so making it a court-martial offense to get a blow job from your wife is the way to fix that.

    You really want to continue making the military look that retarded?

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If they get rid of DADT, then we get into the issue of seperate billets, because there are going to be straight soldiers who refuse to billet with gay soldiers and vice-versa.
    If they do change the law, apdst..I would LOVE to be there the first time a soldier said "Oh no, I wont billet with him, and you can't make me" . If we are taking soldiers that immature, and that unwiling to do as they are told, then we are lost, whether they are gay or straight.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, I'm not saying that. You'r putting words into my mouth.
    What I am saying, is that gays are no different than straights. If straights can do stupid ****, gays will do stupid **** at the same rate. Which will equate to higher rate of stupid ****.
    There are other rules to stop people from doing stupid crap. There is no need for a rule that makes homosexuality a punishable offensive.

    Some will. Just like their straight male soliders, who purposefully enlist in mostly female MOS's, so they can go scout pussy.
    And there are rules to keep them in line. If they step out of line, they will be punished.
    Also, there are better places to find gay men then the military.

    I don't think anyone is being punished for being who they are. Gays join the military, fully aware of DADT. It is a regulation and I'm not going to shed any tears for them, if they get busted violating the regulations.
    But why should the regulation be in place? Isn't the regulation in itself punishing people? You keep saying that it's just the rules, and they were violating regulations, but lets cut to the chase here.
    Do you think that homosexuals, should be allowed to serve openly in the military?
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    What if 2 different soldiers in the same situation were passing around a bottle of Jack Daniels. Soldiers lives would be in jeopardy. Should the military proactively make any and all drinking grounds for discharge just in case some alcoholic soldiers cannot control themselves in a combat situation?
    You know, come to think of it... if the two guards get pissed off at each other and one of them shoots the other, that would be detrimental too. So we should probably ban all guns in the military.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It shouldn't exist at all. Are you suggesting people can't be adults, and that heterosexual males will have sex willingly with homosexual males?
    No, I'm saying that if gay soldiers are allowed to serve in combat arms units, a problem will come into existance, that currently doesn't exist.

    If you were in the Army, you should know that there are many cases, where soldiers are incapable of being adults.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If they get rid of DADT, then we get into the issue of seperate billets, because there are going to be straight soldiers who refuse to billet with gay soldiers and vice-versa.
    not really, they will just have to get over it. like they did when they integrated the service. there were white soldiers that didn't want to billet with black soldiers and vice-versa and we got over that.

    As I mentioned earlier the kind of gay person who would want to join the miitary will be the kind of person with the moral character to resist raping his bunkmate. Of course there will be exceptions, but there always are with any situation.

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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    What if 2 different soldiers in the same situation were passing around a bottle of Jack Daniels. Soldiers lives would be in jeopardy. Should the military proactively make any and all drinking grounds for discharge just in case some alcoholic soldiers cannot control themselves in a combat situation?
    Very true, mard. We are dealing with adults. Adults who are capable of controlling themselves, and behaving AS adults. There are those who cant in any group, and they need to be weeded out, and removed from the group. Sexual orientation is irrelevant. Maturity and a willingness to follow orders is what is important.
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    Re: Dont ask Dont tell Policy Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    LMFAO

    Yeah, so making it a court-martial offense to get a blow job from your wife is the way to fix that.

    You really want to continue making the military look that retarded?
    And, you understand better than I because of your extensive military service. Yes?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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