Florida pastor calls off burning of Qurans

Bet you spoke to a few more POWs than I have.

Republic_Of_Public said:

Bet you spoke to a few more POWs than I have.

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Never met a POW aside from the enemy and most of them simply believe in their local mission. I doubt any of them were actual "terrorists."

MSgt said:

Most of everything I've learned has been from books and it merely validates my life experiences and helps me to understand things more clearly.

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For starters...The declaration of war on terrorism was a politically sound strategic move to avoid pushing the fence sitters. What else were we going to declare war on? Anything with the word "Muslim" or any insinuation of a Muslim faction overtly admitted would have inflamed the entire Muslim community, but in reality its Jihad on Jihad

1 Then you must know, if there is Islam, "militant Islam" will be part of it. See - Mohammad
2 There is NO a fix for the abuses of the Taliban in the areas they control. They are savages propped by religion
3 AQ has been gone from A-stan and Binny is dead.....Which brings us to....Why are we still there?
4 The Karzaid government is going to fail, the Taliban will resume dominant position
5 Most of the stuff thats happening in A-stan is COIN 101 -which the Marines claim they invented (they didn't, but it doesn't hurt to let them think it).

ric27 said:

For starters...The declaration of war on terrorism was a politically sound strategic move to avoid pushing the fence sitters. What else were we going to declare war on? Anything with the word "Muslim" or any insinuation of a Muslim faction overtly admitted would have inflamed the entire Muslim community, but in reality its Jihad on Jihad

1 Then you must know, if there is Islam, "militant Islam" will be part of it. See - Mohammad
2 There is NO a fix for the abuses of the Taliban in the areas they control. They are savages propped by religion
3 AQ has been gone from A-stan and Binny is dead.....Which brings us to....Why are we still there?

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You are correct. "War on Terrorism" is merely a name that describes a more complex issue. I don't know what you are attempting to argue. It's hardly a "jihad on jihad" though. The only side that wants this to be religious in nature is the enemy. Those dip****s in America that seek to burn a Qur'an as some sort of declaration of religous pride are the buffoons. They are the ones that seek to meet them at their silly ancient game. Their Islamist equivilents have brought down skyscrapers. The Christian threat of burning Qur'ans is supposed satisfy what exactly? Given the pathetic idea of it, maybe it's best to leave this nation's security in the hands of the uniform. Until we head into war with crosses on our vests, the Christian fanatics don't have a war.

ric27 said:

4 The Karzaid government is going to fail, the Taliban will resume dominant position

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Maybe. But no military man cares. Our mission has been clear. We can bring them to water. What they do with it is up them. Culture is fate. Instead of an American failure it would be an Afghani and maybe even a Middle Eastern failure. A local failure in Iraq will damn sure transcend the borders. None could ever force them to transcend what their culture allows them to do. Our only goal was to kill the threat (or burden) and provide opportunity. If a threat emerges after we are long gone, we will simply kill that too. In the end, we can't fail. Hail the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean (this is where Europe get's scared). We have democracy and freedom. We can come home with all our securities and trade routes secured. It's them that has to figure out how best to get what they have been voicing for over the last two centuries with it on a platter.

ric27 said:

5 Most of the stuff thats happening in A-stan is COIN 101 -which the Marines claim they invented (they didn't, but it doesn't hurt to let them think it).

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I don't even know what you are talking about with this. Are you a former soldier at risk of having his feelings hurt? Long before the Army wrote on paper what "COIN 101" was, Marines had practiced it in the Barbary Pirates Wars and in the Phillipines under an Army General (Pershing). It's like complaining that Marines didn't define amphibious doctrine in practice during WWI before the Army decided to write about it prior to WWII. In Vietnam it was an Army General that killed Marine accomplishemnts to deny what was working. Hell, even General Mattis (Marine) was practicing COIN long before General Patreaus (Army) tapped into him to help create a wider Iraqi path. Perhaps you should read a little from retired Army LtCol Ralph Peters. He states quite clearly that the Army is quick to dismiss a Marine idea until it proves positive and then they will document and slap an Army seal on it for the fools that come later.

You see, there isn't a lot of pride in producing Army doctrine in a time when Marines are provoing yet again to be affective where soldiers are not. Do you have any idea why Marines are located in the tougher segment os the region? Maybe it's because they can hold to COIN and fight an enemy easier than an Army that has been there for years and not brought a "victory?" Now that Iraq is fixed and finished Marines are beginning to focus on Afgfhanistan, a locale that has had Army focus for years. You tell me why the Army has proven to be ineffective with it's "own" doctrine?

MSgt said:

Those dip****s in America that seek to burn a Qur'an as some sort of declaration of religous pride are the buffoons. They are the ones that seek to meet them at their silly ancient game. Their Islamist equivilents have brought down skyscrapers. The Christian threat of burning Qur'ans is supposed satisfy what exactly? Given the pathetic idea of it, maybe it's best to leave this nation's security in the hands of the uniform. Until we head into war with crosses on our vests, the Christian fanatics don't have a war.

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While the pastor was Christian the later discussions involved far more than just Christians. Everyone had an opinion one way or the other and it gave all Americans, and everyone else it seems, a chance to focus on some of the issues people care about. The right and wrong of this is still being debated and discussed.

And far from this War on Terror being a strictly military exercise, everyone has to be involved. It wasn´t the military who prevented the last couple of attempts to blow up airplanes, or who stopped the attempted bombing of Times Square. If we depended only on the military in this WOT, we´d probably lose.

The military could also have won in Vietnam but it became political. It seems to me that in this Pastor Jones case, it galvanized a lot of people, not just Christians, and as a result we see them backing off from the intened Mosque. Would this have happened without this pastor making a point which people quickly inderstood_ I doubt it.



Maybe. But no military man cares. Our mission has been clear. We can bring them to water. What they do with it is up them. Culture is fate. Instead of an American failure it would be an Afghani and maybe even a Middle Eastern failure. A local failure in Iraq will damn sure transcend the borders. None could ever force them to transcend what their culture allows them to do. Our only goal was to kill the threat (or burden) and provide opportunity. If a threat emerges after we are long gone, we will simply kill that too. In the end, we can't fail. Hail the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean (this is where Europe get's scared). We have democracy and freedom. We can come home with all our securities and trade routes secured. It's them that has to figure out how best to get what they have been voicing for over the last two centuries with it on a platter.



I don't even know what you are talking about with this. Are you a former soldier at risk of having his feelings hurt? Long before the Army wrote on paper what "COIN 101" was, Marines had practiced it in the Barbary Pirates Wars and in the Phillipines under an Army General (Pershing). It's like complaining that Marines didn't define amphibious doctrine in practice during WWI before the Army decided to write about it prior to WWII. In Vietnam it was an Army General that killed Marine accomplishemnts to deny what was working. Hell, even General Mattis (Marine) was practicing COIN long before General Patreaus (Army) tapped into him to help create a wider Iraqi path. Perhaps you should read a little from retired Army LtCol Ralph Peters. He states quite clearly that the Army is quick to dismiss a Marine idea until it proves positive and then they will document and slap an Army seal on it for the fools that come later.

You see, there isn't a lot of pride in producing Army doctrine in a time when Marines are provoing yet again to be affective where soldiers are not. Do you have any idea why Marines are located in the tougher segment os the region? Maybe it's because they can hold to COIN and fight an enemy easier than an Army that has been there for years and not brought a "victory?" Now that Iraq is fixed and finished Marines are beginning to focus on Afgfhanistan, a locale that has had Army focus for years. You tell me why the Army has proven to be ineffective with it's "own" doctrine?[/QUOTE]

Jetboogieman said:

Could this be considered the DP equivelent of a Touch Down?

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If it is only a game you seek, then we all loose. But "Touchdown?" I think not. All I see is an insulting anti social behavior, coupled with illusions of over bloated self worth.

j-mac

MSgt said:

I don't even know what you are talking about with this. Are you a former soldier at risk of having his feelings hurt?

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Keep assuming ....but let's play a game.

Define Combat Mindset in one sentence. Like a mission statement.