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    Re: Florida pastor calls off burning of Qurans

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Nah, you are a fake.

    How did YOU like that. I bet you didn't.
    I don't take it one way or the other, I know that on the internet all you have is my say so, typed in faceless words, but I believe that you can take the collection of what I say and make a determination as to whether or not it is likely that I am telling the truth of my service. If not I would be more than happy to forward a copy of my DD214 to you privately if I have to. But one thing is for sure, I wouldn't show the disdain that angered me into posting my post if I were still in, heck, I don't think I have that type of view of the American people now.

    I just said that to make a point. Thank you for your service.
    thank you, and I see your point, but 1) My service was in peace time thankfully, I have profound respect for those that have seen combat. 2) My anger is directed at a possible Marine that may either have been in too long as to become cynical, and lost his way concerning what a Marine stands for, or that the words so not match what every other Marine I know, (Including my nephew who served in the triangle of death in Iraq) would EVER say about his mission, his creed, his enemy that it makes me wonder.

    And no, I never had the privilege of serving. They wouldn't let me in. I had a skull fracture from a car accident. I still have a small dent in the back of my head from it. It was fully healed by the time I tried to join, but they wouldn't take me. I always thought the Army took EVERYBODY. I ended up 4-F.
    I see. Sorry to hear, sounds like you wanted to get in.

    I am the only member of my family who hasn't served, though. One of my brothers was a First Sgt. in the Gulf War.
    Ok then, your family sounds like they have an honorable history of serving their country, I salute them for it. But do me a favor and call those members of your family that served and just ask them if they believe that those American's that oppose the Mosque at GZ, or support at least the idea of the Pastor's rights are "Backwoods ignorant Christian hicks" or if those exercising their first amendment rights are "pathetic" and exercising "unearned rights"? My guess is that they would not agree with that type of disdain toward fellow American's than I did.

    Anyway, I made my point on this part it.

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    Re: Florida pastor calls off burning of Qurans

    Quote Originally Posted by LimeLight View Post
    I'm just pushing your button. But like this situation, do you believe the Constitution is carved in stone? Do you believe the burning of Qurans or any holy book of any kind is equivalent to yelling Fire! in a theater? Should our amendment rights have 'some exceptions'? Some people based on their ethical standards, believe there should be. Do you think being 'progressive' fits that viewpoint? Or do you just believe that it is just a personal moral standard? People are split on how they view progressives. I want to know your view.
    I don't believe that the Constitution is carved in stone. There are many situations and changes that the founders could not have even contemplated when the Constitution was written. We have to be able to adjust with the changes in technology and the changing world.

    No...I don't believe that burning the koran is equivalent to yelling fire in a crowded theater. As most progressives/liberals have said, let the guy burn his books....why are we giving him a platform?

    As for Amendement rights, there are ALREADY and ALWAYS some exceptions. The Constitution does not require that everyone and everything be treated exactly the same. It only requires that if the state is going to engage in discriminatory and/or differential treatment it has to put forth either a compelling/important/legitimate state interest to justify it (depending on the right/group involved)
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    Re: Florida pastor calls off burning of Qurans

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I don't believe that the Constitution is carved in stone. There are many situations and changes that the founders could not have even contemplated when the Constitution was written. We have to be able to adjust with the changes in technology and the changing world.
    They were smart enough to put provisions to do that in the Constitution.


    No...I don't believe that burning the koran is equivalent to yelling fire in a crowded theater. As most progressives/liberals have said, let the guy burn his books....why are we giving him a platform?
    Agreed, ask the President.

    As for Amendement rights, there are ALREADY and ALWAYS some exceptions. The Constitution does not require that everyone and everything be treated exactly the same. It only requires that if the state is going to engage in discriminatory and/or differential treatment it has to put forth either a compelling/important/legitimate state interest to justify it (depending on the right/group involved)
    Only if you believe that the Federal Government allows the States to exist, and not the States granting certain power to the Federal Government as was written. I would have to say your thought here sounds exactly, and 180 degrees backwards.


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    Re: Florida pastor calls off burning of Qurans

    I also don't know MSgt personally, but... I've found that often, if you want something to stop, it helps not to bring it up...

    For some reason, it has become the norm to claim the USMC has some kind of extraordinary expertise - not the case. The Marine Corps has no unique knowledge on FID and COIN ops.

    I believe, the original mission of the SEALs was indeed COIN

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    Re: Florida pastor calls off burning of Qurans

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post

    Just when you thought our country had moved beyond the fear and ignorance of the 1950's-1960's... This guy shows up with a rolodex of 'MuslimFact' - because the best way to learn about Islam is from a non-muslim full of fear and hate and looking to misconstrue every aspect of the their faith, smearing and twisting their beliefs into a the monster he wants it to be...

    Sir, yours are the paranoid ramblings dragging this country backwards and into the gutter of bigotry.
    Sound like you all of the time.
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    Re: Florida pastor calls off burning of Qurans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How dare me? how dare you. I served in the military, thankfully before any of this war with Muslim terror happened.....
    Exactly. You simply do not know today's enemy. I have no idea what enemy you faced or if you even ever faced one (aside from the threat of Soviet invasion?), but you have today's enemy wrong. Our greatest ally inside Iraq was the Iraqi. Our greatest supporter in Afghanistan has to be the Afghani. Across the Middle East, our greatest supporter is the modernist Muslim too scared to surrender his life to the radical or extremist waiting for him to speak out.

    Burning Qu'rans, while being a source of great pathetic pride for some, is plain stupid and does our troops and our mission across the region no favors. Our core enemy remains terrorists within Islam....not Islam.


    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't denigrate anyone's service to their country, and stand proud of our military, so much so that I served for 6 years.
    I have 18 and counting, most of which has been spent against this Muslim terror. Perhaps my real world experience on two separate continents and a span of two decades gives me the right to make judgement on some of the complete fools I defend?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As I said I don't know MSgt personally, and am making my evaluation based on his words in the post I felt I needed to post to, if he indeed is no poser then at the very least he is in serious need of a re evaluation of Corps principles and honor.

    As I said Dana, I can't imagine any true Marine talking as he did in that post of his dripping with appeasement to the enemy, and outright disdain for the American people, and the Constitution he is sworn to defend. That is just the bottom line. You don't like it? Pfft, so what. When you find your own integrity you can come question mine, until then I have said my peace.
    You seem to be at odds with the nation. Even President Bush was careful not to declare all of Islam the enemy. Don't tell me he was smarter than you?

    It's called education. We tend to think in today's military due to our enemy not being a faceless red ideology. We don't have it as easy as simply declaring "Communist bad." I don't take offense to the things you state, though the Marine in me envisions sticking a palm tree straight up your ignorant ass. I understand that some Americans need things to be simple to understand them. That's why others try to think for them. Until this nation determines that all Muslims are to be burnt in ovens or slaughtered whole sale my enemy remains a distinct few and a wrecked civilization in the Middle East.

    I don't need my Corps Principles to have a very valid opinion on how stupid some Americans are. And thankyou for providing the example.

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    Re: Florida pastor calls off burning of Qurans

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Exactly. You simply do not know today's enemy. I have no idea what enemy you faced or if you even ever faced one (aside from the threat of Soviet invasion?), but you have today's enemy wrong. Our greatest ally inside Iraq was the Iraqi. Our greatest supporter in Afghanistan has to be the Afghani. Across the Middle East, our greatest supporter is the modernist Muslim too scared to surrender his life to the radical or extremist waiting for him to speak out.

    Burning Qu'rans, while being a source of great pathetic pride for some, is plain stupid and does our troops and our mission across the region no favors. Our core enemy remains terrorists within Islam....not Islam.

    I have 18 and counting, most of which has been spent against this Muslim terror. Perhaps my real world experience on two separate continents and a span of two decades gives me the right to make judgement on some of the complete fools I defend?

    You seem to be at odds with the nation. Even President Bush was careful not to declare all of Islam the enemy. Don't tell me he was smarter than you?

    It's called education. We tend to think in today's military due to our enemy not being a faceless red ideology. We don't have it as easy as simply declaring "Communist bad." I don't take offense to the things you state, though the Marine in me envisions sticking a palm tree straight up your ignorant ass. I understand that some Americans need things to be simple to understand them. That's why others try to think for them. Until this nation determines that all Muslims are to be burnt in ovens or slaughtered whole sale my enemy remains a distinct few and a wrecked civilization in the Middle East.

    I don't need my Corps Principles to have a very valid opinion on how stupid some Americans are. And thankyou for providing the example.
    Could this be considered the DP equivelent of a Touch Down?

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    Re: Florida pastor calls off burning of Qurans

    Our core enemy remains terrorists within Islam....not Islam.
    Obviously you'd be intimately privy to the mindsets of the enemy in the field, which the rest of us would be denied. But I see Islam being the overt catalyst for terrorism, even though most Muslims have nothing to do with that kind of full-blown extremism by dint of human nature.

    They side with anything they see a positive in, such as Muhammad telling his followers to embrace science (though to my mind only because he wanted to apply it against the kufr he hated so much). Or even embrace verses which abrogation made void anyway.

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    Re: Florida pastor calls off burning of Qurans

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Could this be considered the DP equivelent of a Touch Down?
    I make a lot of them. CNN and FOX just choose to focus elsewhere for their "touchdowns."

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    Re: Florida pastor calls off burning of Qurans

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    Obviously you'd be intimately privy to the mindsets of the enemy in the field, which the rest of us would be denied.
    People aren't denied anything. This transcends an intimate enemy in a local environment. Most of everything I've learned has been from books and it merely validates my life experiences and helps me to understand things more clearly. Without that experience, people still have these books from which to learn from. The problem is that people don't dedicate their opinons towards what they read from experts as much as they dedicate their opinions towards a personal want to hate. Reporters have become notorious for painting simplistic local truths, which culminate into a general untruths. And the puiblic insists that we cater to the untruths. I ask you this.....without a media portraying the "truth" of Fallujah I, would there have been a need for a Fallujah II?

    God I've come to despise the ignorance of the typical global citizen who can't seem to figure it out.
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