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    Re: Appeals court lifts ban on embryotic stem cell research funding.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Did I say something that was factually inaccurate?
    No, just horribly irrelevant.
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    Re: Appeals court lifts ban on embryotic stem cell research funding.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The Nazi's justified their experiments the same way, high potential and we "must explore everything".
    Only stem cell research isn't seeking to eradicate blacks, Jews and anything that isn't white. Stem cell research doesn't involve tying people to operating beds. It doesn't involve keeping pregnant women in holding cells just waiting to have the necessary materials extracted from them. Do you understand why your comparison is borderline stupid yet? Here, I'll explain it to you. Whenever you compare what Jews, homosexuals, Roma, Christian Poles had to go through under Nazi German to something completely unrelated like STEM CELL RESEARCH your comparison is VERY LIKELY to fail. It's very likely to fail because you're being dishonest and in your dishonesty you are very likely to become ridiculous. Ridiculous to the point where after a while you'd compare anything you disagree with to what the Nazis did. And so we're here. Watching with our jaws wide opened as you compare a 35 year old Jew being torn apart by Nazi butchers to a guy in a lab coat looking through a microscope and poking goo.
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    Re: Appeals court lifts ban on embryotic stem cell research funding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Only stem cell research isn't seeking to eradicate blacks, Jews and anything that isn't white. Stem cell research doesn't involve tying people to operating beds. It doesn't involve keeping pregnant women in holding cells just waiting to have the necessary materials extracted from them. Do you understand why your comparison is borderline stupid yet? Here, I'll explain it to you. Whenever you compare what Jews, homosexuals, Roma, Christian Poles had to go through under Nazi German to something completely unrelated like STEM CELL RESEARCH your comparison is VERY LIKELY to fail. It's very likely to fail because you're being dishonest and in your dishonesty you are very likely to become ridiculous. Ridiculous to the point where after a while you'd compare anything you disagree with to what the Nazis did. And so we're here. Watching with our jaws wide opened as you compare a 35 year old Jew being torn apart by Nazi butchers to a guy in a lab coat looking through a microscope and poking goo.
    You awful man, GOO IS PEOPLE TOO!
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    Re: Appeals court lifts ban on embryotic stem cell research funding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Only stem cell research isn't seeking to eradicate blacks, Jews and anything that isn't white. Stem cell research doesn't involve tying people to operating beds. It doesn't involve keeping pregnant women in holding cells just waiting to have the necessary materials extracted from them. Do you understand why your comparison is borderline stupid yet? Here, I'll explain it to you. Whenever you compare what Jews, homosexuals, Roma, Christian Poles had to go through under Nazi German to something completely unrelated like STEM CELL RESEARCH your comparison is VERY LIKELY to fail. It's very likely to fail because you're being dishonest and in your dishonesty you are very likely to become ridiculous. Ridiculous to the point where after a while you'd compare anything you disagree with to what the Nazis did. And so we're here. Watching with our jaws wide opened as you compare a 35 year old Jew being torn apart by Nazi butchers to a guy in a lab coat looking through a microscope and poking goo.
    I appear to have poked a raw nerve.

    The real truth is, this is a pointless emotional game, there is no need for Gov't Funding of Embryonic Stem Cell research if it is so promising.. oh wait, it's not really. It's just got possible maybe potential and can't get private funding cause it's... just a maybe.

    Why are you people so for welfare for drug companies? Cause that's really what this is about.
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    Re: Appeals court lifts ban on embryotic stem cell research funding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Define "late term" and "spurious reasons," and who does this?
    Dr. George Tiller was one and got himself killed for it. He was replaced almost over night.

    Spurious means lies like for the health of the mother because in almost all cases that is BS.

    Late term is any baby that would have lived if not murdered by sucking its brain out after all but its head are delivered.

    I hope I didn't use any more words that confused anyone. I tried to type slowly.

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    Re: Appeals court lifts ban on embryotic stem cell research funding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Dr. George Tiller was one and got himself killed for it. He was replaced almost over night.
    I'd hardly call getting cut down while unarmed in one's place of worship in front of his friends and family "getting himself killed".

    A pretty ****ing cowardly way to kill a man.
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    Re: Appeals court lifts ban on embryotic stem cell research funding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    I'd hardly call getting cut down while unarmed in one's place of worship in front of his friends and family "getting himself killed".

    A pretty ****ing cowardly way to kill a man.
    I newver said it wan't cowardly or that it was justified. Try not to project your thoughts and views into anyone else's. So far you missed the point, but I should expect no less.

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    Re: Appeals court lifts ban on embryotic stem cell research funding.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I appear to have poked a raw nerve.

    The real truth is, this is a pointless emotional game, there is no need for Gov't Funding of Embryonic Stem Cell research if it is so promising.. oh wait, it's not really. It's just got possible maybe potential and can't get private funding cause it's... just a maybe.

    Why are you people so for welfare for drug companies? Cause that's really what this is about.
    FYI:

    Several recent studies have shown that NIH-funded research is inextricably linked to biomedical industry developments and achievements. One study found that 31 percent of new products in the biomedical field could not have been developed, without substantial delay, in the absence of federally-funded academic research.[3]A recent Science Coalition report highlights that 100 new companies were created thanks to federally funded research projects. These companies bring innovation in many different fields, from nanotechnology to robotics to medical imaging to DNA sequencing.[4]The California Healthcare Institute found that one in six of the public biotech companies in the country were founded by a University of California scientist, where NIH

    investments account for three quarters of the university’s biomedical research funding.[5]The Council on American Medical Innovation (CAMI) concluded that sustained public investment in medical research is one of the five pillars of U.S. global biomedical leadership.[6]



    The NIH–supported life science sector has been a strong source of US job growth. Compared to other industries, the biomedical industry has not only shown faster employment growth but also consistently higher wages, exceeding the national average private-sector wage by more than $24,000. And even as our faltering economy has been struggling to stabilize, jobs in the biomedical sector are being added at a pace faster than the overall private sector.[7]



    As a nation we also face new biomedical research opportunities and challenges. As the CAMI report notes, “Biomedical science has become more complex and demanding, requiring more involved technology development efforts, including more complex clinical trials.” The report also clearly highlights, “early stage financing and private investment for R&D are harder to access because of the changing risks and rewards in advancing medical innovation.”

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    Re: Appeals court lifts ban on embryotic stem cell research funding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I newver said it wan't cowardly or that it was justified. Try not to project your thoughts and views into anyone else's. So far you missed the point, but I should expect no less.
    Save the catty comments for someone who cares.

    What point did I miss?
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    Re: Appeals court lifts ban on embryotic stem cell research funding.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I appear to have poked a raw nerve.
    The one that reacts to the stupidity of fundis? Fundis who wouldn't know the difference between an isosceles triangle and a petri dish? Yes. You did. It's just a shame that stem cell research won't ever find a cure for stupidity. Maybe if it did a vaccine could be created and we could inject every idiot who compares anything they dislike to Nazis with some common sense.

    The real truth is, this is a pointless emotional game, there is no need for Gov't Funding of Embryonic Stem Cell research if it is so promising.. oh wait, it's not really.

    ]It's just got possible maybe potential and can't get private funding cause it's... just a maybe.
    That is not only false but ridiculous. The fact that it shows promise means that it should be funded. Or are you saying only that which shows no promise should be funded? Here:

    Reducing Stem Cell Loss During Cancer Treatment

    Biologists at the University of California, San Diego have discovered that a gene critical for programmed cell death is also important in the loss of adult stem cells, a finding that could help to improve the health and well-being of patients undergoing cancer treatment.

    "During chemotherapy or radiation therapy that kills cancer cells by inducing significant DNA damage in their genomes, one of the main side effects for human cancer patients is the depletion of their own adult stem cells, particularly the ones responsible for making new blood and intestine cells. So these patients become anemic, lose appetite and a lot of weight," said Yang Xu, a professor of biology at UC San Diego who headed the team that published its findings in this week's advance online issue of the journal Nature Cell Biology. "If we can prevent the loss of stem cells during cancer therapy, that would be very beneficial for these patients."
    Stem Cell Ruling Halts Sight-Saving Research

    The Association for Research in Vision and Ophthalmology (ARVO), a professional organization of member scientists, opposes the Federal District Court injunction that froze federal funding for human embryonic stem cell (hESC) research. ARVO is troubled by this barrier to research that has the potential to restore sight and mitigate eye damage.

    ARVO members investigate hESC therapies for treating diseases such as age-related macular degeneration (AMD), diabetic retinopathy, glaucoma and corneal disease, along with studies related to eye tissue transplantation, regeneration and engineering. ARVO's policy supports technological developments and policies that encourage all facets of stem cell research, including research utilizing hESCs.
    In Fruit Flies, Live Imaging Puts New Light On Stem Cell Division

    A long-held assumption about asymmetrical division of stem cells has cracked. Researchers at the University of Oregon report that the mitotic spindle does not act alone -- that cortical proteins help to position a cleavage furrow in the right location.

    Their discovery, described in the Sept. 2 issue of the journal Nature, provides a new window on how stem cells divide to produce two unequal daughter cells: one that lives on as a new stem cell and other, smaller cell, that adopts a new function, in this case as a neuron.
    You're welcome to retract your false statement ANY time.

    Why are you people so for welfare for drug companies? Cause that's really what this is about.
    Ah yes, more dishonesty. Welfare for drug companies don't have anything to do funding for stem cell research. That's one more ridiculous claim you've made. Here I'll throw out a loaded question just so you're in good company:

    Why are you opposed to finding cures to cancer, aids, pancreatitis, lost eye sight etc?

    See? I can play the dishonesty game too.
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