Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

a new form of socialism (LOL!) is like a new form of fascism

all fail

the candor above, however, is refreshing

party on, progressives!

we're all watching

Khayembii Communique said:

"However, at the same time the government has announced that workers will be encouraged to take over the ownership of the companies in which they work. In a move that the government has actually called a deepening of socialism, the Cubans are about to launch what could potentially become the biggest co-operative project the world has ever seen.

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The government is saying that the old centrally planned Soviet-style of socialism has finally hit the buffers – a new form of socialism is required, in which the state ceases to be the administrator of economic activity but the regulator. That's a different model of socialism – it may not work either – but it is not capitalism."
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Any reasonably well read person knew it wasn't working a couple of generations ago but Castro figured it still had a chance? It was, as always, all about personal power.

I doubt that Castro is as stupid as those who believe in him. This is probably one of those near deathbed confessions where he's asking forgiveness for the horrors he inflicted on the Cuban people.

Khayembii Communique said:

"However, at the same time the government has announced that workers will be encouraged to take over the ownership of the companies in which they work. In a move that the government has actually called a deepening of socialism, the Cubans are about to launch what could potentially become the biggest co-operative project the world has ever seen.

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The government is saying that the old centrally planned Soviet-style of socialism has finally hit the buffers – a new form of socialism is required, in which the state ceases to be the administrator of economic activity but the regulator. That's a different model of socialism – it may not work either – but it is not capitalism."
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I would have to question whether Communist nations such as China or Cuba are really "communist". They are socialist dictatorships rather than true communism. I also believe most Latin American communists are modified communists, not true Lenin-types. Exceptions noted of course.

btw - We defeated Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, but in no way did we defeat fascism. In essence, it is militant socialism. Socialism is alive, well, and growing/expanding. All it requires is opportunity to spring into full blown fascism.

I would have to question whether Communist nations such as China or Cuba are really "communist".

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We've had this before. You can't have leaderless states, so unscrupulous men fill the gap. That's not to say communism's without guilt in itself though, as it sets the perfect condition with its 'dictatorship of the proleteriat' instability cobblers.

The ideology of total equality, if necessary (as it is) by crushing the independence of free people, leads to fascism as you need bastards to do the job. Lowest common denominator politics is necessarily fascist.

How is possible that still are some who are sympathetic to the Tyrannosaurus Rex? Don’t let this psychopath liar fool you, he has no conscience.

Castro during the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 12, 1962, the closest the world had ever come to nuclear war, wrote in his cable to Khrushchev in October 26, 1962, “that would be the moment to eliminate such danger forever through tan act of clear legitimate defense, however harsh and terrible the solution would be, for there is no other… the Soviet Union must never allow the circumstances in which the imperialists could launch the first nuclear strike against it.”

Khrushchev response in October 30, 1962, “In your cable of October 27 you proposed that we be the first to launch a nuclear strike against the territory of the enemy. You, of course, realize where that would have led. Rather than a simple strike, it would have been the start of a thermonuclear world war.”

Castro, in his deep hatred against the United States, did not hesitate in asking for the launch of a nuclear strike without given a damn that such action sealed the annihilation of the Cuban people and a large part of humanity. Castro deserves everything that's coming to him.

ric27 said:

I would have to question whether Communist nations such as China or Cuba are really "communist". They are socialist dictatorships rather than true communism. I also believe most Latin American communists are modified communists, not true Lenin-types. Exceptions noted of course.

btw - We defeated Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, but in no way did we defeat fascism. In essence, it is militant socialism. Socialism is alive, well, and growing/expanding. All it requires is opportunity to spring into full blown fascism.

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Communism is the word they chose to market their particular brand of dictatorship. It sold very well among the politically illiterate in the democracies, much better than it would have done had they called themselves Nazis, or Fascists, though their policies might have been the same.

To say that they were striving for 'equality' among people when the evidence was very much to the contrary speaks to the ignorance of many leftwingers in the west, despite believing themselves to be the final link in the evolutionary chain.

And, as you say, people still believe that governments can look after all their needs. If we could put these people on an island somewhere, Cuba perhaps, to see how it doesn't work, then perhaps reality might take hold, perhaps their tiny minds might change. But that won't happen. They'll bring the rest of us down with them first.

Sandokan said:

Castro, in his deep hatred against the United States, did not hesitate in asking for the launch of a nuclear strike without given a damn that such action sealed the annihilation of the Cuban people and a large part of humanity. Castro deserves everything that's coming to him.

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yeah, but he meant well, and that's what mostly matters

if only we could find the perfect plato

it's odd, cuz there's so many of em so near us here in this very forum

oh well

party on!

yeah, but he meant well

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That's probably why he and his regime murdered 97, 000 people by one estimate!


Genocide in Cuba

users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat6.htm

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...nst-oppression-anybody-else-see-oxymoron.html



CASTRO - The darling of the West's deluded campus bores, whose clean tap water (!) and efficient school indoctrination system earns him their undying devotion. Even The Beatles approached him for a record deal in 1968, yet his Communist system is at least as oppressive and murderous as another, especially worse than the system of government he replaced. He was a co-conspiritor in the secret plan to transform Cuba into a nuclear war launch base in the anticipated kick-off of World War 3. Rose to illegal power on the promise to turn each Cuban into his own landowner, yet they starve and are exploited year on year. The shooting of dissidents and perceived enemies started in 1959 and never truly ceased, bringing the small island's body count to a hefty 97,000 in total.

ric27 said:

I would have to question whether Communist nations such as China or Cuba are really "communist". They are socialist dictatorships rather than true communism. I also believe most Latin American communists are modified communists, not true Lenin-types. Exceptions noted of course.

btw - We defeated Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, but in no way did we defeat fascism. In essence, it is militant socialism. Socialism is alive, well, and growing/expanding. All it requires is opportunity to spring into full blown fascism.

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The National Socialists of Germany (NAZIs) and BNP (although they are too ashamed of their REAL policies to openly declare them) share similar political ideologies with the Chinese and Russian regimes. None of them have anything to do with "Socialism" as a political force to make real change for the working people of this world.

RoP appears to be so enamoured of the BNP but I wonder if he has considered how the BNP will view his Slavic origins once they have solved the Muslim/Black/Jewish "problems".

RoP appears to be so enamoured of the BNP....

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Evidence? I've noticed no love myself.


But getting back to the communism W. R. likes to speak up for (no doubt with honest motives), maybe he'd better try 'going back to the egg' and attempt to convince my own people about what was apparently so good for them.

People who actually lived under it in practice will take a lot of convincing to get them back in again! It's the same wherever you go in the world for people who were lost in a regime which couldn't exist without state repression.




SPACER PO WARSZAWIE (They Survived Their Tyrannies!)



The Communist Party is campaigning against state 'repression' in Poland - because the government there wants to ban displays of extremist symbols such as their Hammer and Sickle flag!

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...nst-oppression-anybody-else-see-oxymoron.html

The comedy of that irony is not lost, yet it's also a telling reminder of the genuinely oppressive mentalities of those who bullied the Polish people for so many centuries.
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The footage itself was recorded during my holiday one month before, the snaps presented in a documentary format with the data. The comments reveal the love the Poles have for their freedom.

SE102 said:

Ummm.... which liberals are you talking to?

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The undisclosed ones. Fidel Castro knew his ideas wouldn't work from the beginning. He just wanted to be in charge.

This reminds me of that scene in the Simpsons, with Castro in his office and surrounded by cronies.

Fidel Castro: Comrads, our nation is completely bankrupt! We have no choice but to abandon communism!
Castro's Aide #1, Castro's Associates: [sigh]

Fidel Castro: I know, I know, I know... but we all knew from day one this mumbo jumbo wouldn't fly! I'll call Washington and tell them they won.

Castro's Aide #1: But presidente, America tried to kill you!
Fidel Castro: Ah, they're not so bad. They even named a street after me in San Francisco!

[Aide #2 whispers something into his ear]
Fidel Castro: It's full of what?

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"The Simpsons" The Trouble with Trillions (1998) - Memorable quotes


Nice satire on the disaster of communism and the inconsistency of liberals.

William Rea said:

The National Socialists of Germany (NAZIs) and BNP (although they are too ashamed of their REAL policies to openly declare them) share similar political ideologies with the Chinese and Russian regimes. None of them have anything to do with "Socialism" as a political force to make real change for the working people of this world.

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Utopianism's "sole function is to allow its devotees to condemn what exists in the name of what does not.", said Jean-François Revel and he was, as usual, right. The idea that they ever could hep 'the working people of the world" was ludicrous and those who fancied themselves to be"intellectuals" , discussing the "bourgeoisie" and the "proletariat" and deciding vicariously how the state should run peoples lives, were made to look like the fools they always were. Their excuse for all these continued failures was that it always a work in progress. The theory was just great!

According to Revel, the greatest French political philosopher ever, the Communist party in Europe boasted that they could get 100,000 leftists protesting against the Americans in any major Western European City with just one weeks notice. These would be the "intellectuals" of course, ignorant of any form of human rights yet well able to discuss the miutia of Trostkisim vs Leninism, and so on.

Lenin called them "useful idiots", but they served no apparent use to anyone else. These idiots who spent their lives supporting this universal madness, much as thy'll not speak out against Islamism, should spend the rest of their lives involved in Mother Theresa like charitable acts to try and compensate for the damage they had done to all those who suffered under Communist regimes..

Grant said:

Utopianism's "sole function is to allow its devotees to condemn what exists in the name of what does not.", said Jean-François Revel and he was, as usual, right. The idea that they ever could hep 'the working people of the world" was ludicrous and those who fancied themselves to be"intellectuals" , discussing the "bourgeoisie" and the "proletariat" and deciding vicariously how the state should run peoples lives, were made to look like the fools they always were. Their excuse for all these continued failures was that it always a work in progress. The theory was just great!

According to Revel, the greatest French political philosopher ever, the Communist party in Europe boasted that they could get 100,000 leftists protesting against the Americans in any major Western European City with just one weeks notice. These would be the "intellectuals" of course, ignorant of any form of human rights yet well able to discuss the miutia of Trostkisim vs Leninism, and so on.

Lenin called them "useful idiots", but they served no apparent use to anyone else. These idiots who spent their lives supporting this universal madness, much as thy'll not speak out against Islamism, should spend the rest of their lives involved in Mother Theresa like charitable acts to try and compensate for the damage they had done to all those who suffered under Communist regimes..

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Anti-intellectual snobbery is an awful vice and most normally employed by charlatans generally bankrupt of any reasoned argument.

Socialism is not utopian, it is a pathway from Capitalism to true Freedom from the shackles of corruption and power amassed by individuals to the return of power to all individuals.

Capitalism is just as utopian as any form of communism just witness the despotic Capitalist regimes that emerged in South America with help from the USA.

American said:

Fidel Castro knew his ideas wouldn't work from the beginning. He just wanted to be in charge.

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Funny guy.

Republic_Of_Public said:

Evidence? I've noticed no love myself...

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Jeez RoP don't go all coy on me now, you normally have so much to say but are suddenly dumbstruck when asked about your BNP love affair?

You want me to go back through your posting history to point out your references. I'm happy to do that but it might be very embarrassing for you.

What love affair?

And for a commie sympathiser, you're in something of a glass house to get on a high horse, aren't you.

Anti-intellectual snobbery is an awful vice and most normally employed by charlatans generally bankrupt of any reasoned argument.

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I would love to hear a reasoned argument by those "intellectuals" who supported Communism, William Rea, and who bent every bit of rationality and human rights in doing so. The only "anti Intellectual snobbery" I'm referring to are are those sick and pathetic souls who supported Communism in any form, and of course were most against the United States, its arch enemy. They even tried to make it an argument about Communism vs. Capitalism, when it was actually Communism vs. Democracy and human rights.

Socialism is not utopian, it is a pathway from Capitalism to true Freedom from the shackles of corruption and power amassed by individuals to the return of power to all individuals.

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More irrational gobbledygook from someone who feels he can solve the worlds problems when unable to solve his own. Look after yourself and your loved ones, William Rea, and the world will move along quite well without your Left Wing input.

Capitalism is just as utopian as any form of communism just witness the despotic Capitalist regimes that emerged in South America with help from the USA.

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I live much of my time in Central America, in fact I'm leaving again in the morning, and the people are largely free from Communism, thanks to the United States and with no help whatsoever from any other country. The people there, apart from those who were in charge, are very grateful, just as the people in eastern Europe were grateful.

The only real danger now is Nicaragua, where Daniel Ortega is trying to pull a Hugo Chavez. I reckon you'd be for that, right?

Have you also intellectualized/rationalized Nazism and Fascism? Are you one of those "he made the trains run on time" guys?

Castro's best mate was the Marxist guerilla murderer CHE GUEVARA, beloved by so many student crackpots who then have the brass neck to riot over the extremism of the BNP or EDL, be any examples real or perceived.

Here's a short video on the matter which leftards worldwide may care to view:




Why are communist killers are considered Chic today? People seem happy to wear TV shirts of Che or Mao yet few would dare wear a Nazi Swastika or picture of Hitler on a TV shirt? Is it simply a lack of education - few seem to know anything about mass murderers like Stalin, Mao or Che & Castro? Perhaps Hollywood has focused too much on the Nazis, who actually killed less people than Stalin or Mao? Maybe the Russian and Chinese victims of communism just don't have the same level of press that the victims of the holocaust do..


YouTube - Hereticalable's Channel

More proof, if proof were needed, that Communism was discredited at the time of the very first of the 100 million murders and the very first oppressive law, yet the likes of Mr. Lea like to tell us to give it just one more chance! (Then blame others for being extremists on the other side!)


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YOUNG NAZIS? Booted off Youtube and fair enough I suppose!

YOUNG COMMUNISTS...

http://www.youtube.com/group/ComYTGrp


Come in my friend!!

Republic_Of_Public said:

Castro's best mate was the Marxist guerilla murderer CHE GUEVARA, beloved by so many student crackpots who then have the brass neck to riot over the extremism of the BNP or EDL, be any examples real or perceived.

Here's a short video on the matter which leftards worldwide may care to view:

Utopianism's "sole function is to allow its devotees to condemn what exists in the name of what does not." Jean-François Reve



Why are communist killers are considered Chic today? People seem happy to wear TV shirts of Che or Mao yet few would dare wear a Nazi Swastika or picture of Hitler on a TV shirt? Is it simply a lack of education - few seem to know anything about mass murderers like Stalin, Mao or Che & Castro? Perhaps Hollywood has focused too much on the Nazis, who actually killed less people than Stalin or Mao? Maybe the Russian and Chinese victims of communism just don't have the same level of press that the victims of the holocaust do..


YouTube - Hereticalable's Channel

More proof, if proof were needed, that Communism was discredited at the time of the very first of the 100 million murders and the very first oppressive law, yet the likes of Mr. Lea like to tell us to give it just one more chance! (Then blame others for being extremists on the other side!)


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YOUNG NAZIS? Booted off Youtube and fair enough I suppose!

YOUNG COMMUNISTS...

YouTube - New Communist Youtube Group


Come in my friend!!

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Those ninnies who wear the Che T-Shirts or praise Mao for "bringing China into the modern world" , RoP, are just as seriously stupid as the "intellectuals" who try to explain why Communism is really a very good idea. They are no different. It's like wondering who is the smartest Racist or Nazi. The are all equally stupid. All of them. There are no exceptions.

Why they want, or even wanted, this disgraced ideology inflicted on their fellow human beings remains a mystery. Perhaps it is something in their psyche where they need their tribal leaders, or royalty, which tells them when plant, what to think, etc. It can be very easy sell to those who are frightened of life and have never understood real freedom themselves.

But this doesn't explain why they want these Communist horrors visited on other peoples, usually Latin Americans and Asians. It would have been insane to emigrate to East Germany, Cuba or China, but Communism was what these contemptible Leftists wanted for the Latin Americans, Vietnamese, Angolans, Chinese and so on. Those morons you pointed out on Youtube feel just as intellectually stimulated as any brown sweatered Left winger did during the height of the Cold War, convinced they know the answer to all lifes problems. They feel their "system" will solve everything that a kind word and a helping hand couldn't.

There simplemindedness should be under constant attack, lest other easily influenced diddlewits fell under this spell as well. It should be recognized for what it is and attacked, just as we would attack any other dangerous anti freedom, anti human anti social and hateful movements.

Perhaps the Black Book of Communism should be studied in high schools everywhere as a warning to all those who would try to design a mold into which they can fit all other people, and the disastrous consequences that always happen when it's tried.

Republic_Of_Public said:

What love affair?

And for a commie sympathiser, you're in something of a glass house to get on a high horse, aren't you.

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It's OK, your posting stats show you have mentioned the BNP in 72 threads on here and I struggled to find a single post where your were not defensive of the them.

I guess that the positive from the search was that I discovered that you are an empty vessel and that others have previously disengaged from you. Being a newbie here I hadn't realised your history and that by engaging with you I was simply encouraging the level of stupid to be raised. Lesson learnt.

Bickering self moderated and over.

It's OK, your posting stats show you have mentioned the BNP in 72 threads on here and I struggled to find a single post where your were not defensive of the them.

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So, no love affair then, despite your lie. You're halfway to being a good communist already, with such obsessive rifling of the archive files to dish the sneaky dirt! If you'd have made something up anyway and condemned me on that, you'd be a true Marxist agent!


I can take your frustrated parting insult in good humour. And I'm sorry if debating with me encouraged you to be stupid. I'll be polite enough to pretend not to notice.

I'll leave you to thumb through your back-issues of Pravda and the Morning Star, though I'll make a charming gift of this picture, featuring political extremists campaigning against political extremism, for your campus dorm' wall:




Nice and familiar!

"Why are communist killers are considered Chic today? People seem happy to wear TV shirts of Che or Mao yet few would dare wear a Nazi Swastika or picture of Hitler on a TV shirt? Is it simply a lack of education" RoP

I think you hit it in one. The lefties of the great Cultural Marxist movement now plaguing all Western societies for the short term future hit two targets simultaneously when they emerged from the Soviet underground in the States back in the late fifties and early sixties. The first was an infiltration of the media and the second was an infiltration of the education system. They did the same thing here in the UK and everywhere else their crud soiled feet have trodden. There was a purpose behind this move of course. To promote political correctness through the press and to dumb down students and educational standards because they need lots of thick, stupid people to vote for them. Smart people will not.

Having infiltrated education they began to re-write history and to make everything that is politically to the right of themselves into something to be either despised, dismissed or something to feel guilty about. Brainwashing kids is what all totalitarians love to do.

At the same time as the PC brigade were selling their version of Frankfurt School doctrine to children and later to the whole population, feminists were moving in on -- and taking over -- the whole domestic violence issue and using it as a platform to attack marriage, the family, men and the Christian Church. Every single one of the early feminist leaders was a Communist member and their stated aim was the destruction of the western economic system through the destruction of the family. It was the feminists who introduced the concept of the "new man" alongside the false, "new family." Exactly as they had done in Russia itself for the previous seventy years with catastrophic results on the people. As ever, claiming to love the people while crapping from a great height all over them!

Astoundingly the right wing let themselves be distracted by the old trick of the left ruining the economy every time they got into power. This focussed the right wing on fixing it and not on what the Neo Marxist left were doing to destroy the country. By the time the right wing realised what was going on, they had themselves been infiltrated up to the eyeballs!

Only Maggie Thatcher was clear on "the enemy within" and even she underestimated the scope of their infiltration. She should never have stopped with the union barons. Had she gone on into the education system, the media (broadcast and print -- especially the BBC and Channel Four) and swept what is now the domestic violence industry and social work fields clean, Britain would have been almost clean of the Marxist rats by now and Labour would have been reduced to what they really are; the great has-beens of history.

However, it would be wrong to lose hope because there is a huge anti left resurgence happening. Even the young are waking up to what has been going on. In the meantime, for all those out there who have not had their brains fried by PC bull**** false guilt and fear, here is a little film you might not have seen but which the left are strangely quiet about. Oh, and as you watch it, it will probably occur to you to no longer think that the extremes of left and right in politics should be thought of as a straight line with the left at one end and the right at the other. (If you have that is). Rather, they should be thought of as at the ends of an almost closed circle. Keep an ear open for the origins of the "new man" idea. Enjoy! The Soviet Story w/subs Video

P.S. The lefties among us keep trying to take this movie down but it just pops up in other places. That must drive them nuts! :lol:

Oh. Just so everyone is very clear. To me, Nick Griffin is a total moron who belongs in psychiatric care. His thug bodyguard belong in jail and the BNP are a waste of the air they pollute. On the other hand, half of the Labour party should be in jail for treason. Most of the other half should be there for corruption, perversion and sedition. The Lib Dems should all be forced to live in Camden as penance for wasting everyone’s time and inflicting that Clegg bloke on us. :lol: Come to think of it, most of 'em probably aready do.

danarhea said:

Come on guys. Respond to the topic, which is about Castro saying that Communism doesn't work. No need to call people names here.

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what are you implying? capitalism works?

i suggest u look into something called The Great Depression.

Capitalism DOES work as it delivers the goods and keeps elbow room for initiative, free enterprise and Democracy.

It sometimes malfunctions but it's the best economic machine I've known.

Communism, however, requires oppression, complete financial reliance on the State apparatus, other people management and murder to prop it up for as long as it takes for people to rebel. And even then it fails, for example the hideous problems of East Germany or Romania.




What is it about these commies? They refuse to see the best in anything but their own extremist desires, yet they don't want to relocate to other parts of the world to enjoy the political and economic system they cherish.

They'd much rather force or fool everyone here to live to their rules. 'Dictatorship of the Proleteriat', did they say?



EVERY SINGLE Communist regime is the same in the way it treats its citizens - like expendable beasts of burden.

Yet the 'holohoaxers' of the Red Left say it's 'not proper communism'..... even though oh so many of the same people have backed the likes of Castro or Che Guevara or the Viet Cong in the past!!!



YouTube - What Is Communism, Part 2 of 2