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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Castro and all the others will realize that though equality has a very nice ring to it, human nature will never allow such a system to come to be, it is impossible and always doomed to failure.
    Not so much human nature, which implies foibles, but nature in general. And to blame human nature for the failures of Communism really is just like wishing the sun would revolve around the Earth just to be in the right.

    A basic example of the inherent inequalities in nature is the fact that some men are stronger whilst others can run faster. Training helps but nature defines.

    In terms of brains, some men are capable of using their loaves to become super-successful businessmen whilst others only have the acumen just to do an ordinary day's work.


    Not being a communist allows greater freedom of initiative and talent in whatever area you're good at.

    Communism can only mean denuding people of free will and the right not to be managed like robots off a production line.

    That's why Castro and all the others are absolutely wrong. Total equality can only ever be imposed if not undertaken by a few people who happen to all be the same anyway.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Shifting of words..... Conservative positions should logically be called liberal or libertarian as they generally favor the rights of the individual, personal responsibility and an aversion to authoritarian controls and interference.

    "Liberals" hijacked the term because they wanted the perception of liberty when a more accurately descriptive label would be socialist, fascist, communist, etc.

    It happens all the time.... "gay" use to mean being light hearted, happy, etc.
    I strongly disagree with you here. The textbook definition of Fascism IS corporate control. The definition that calls Liberals Fascists is a made up one, designed only to bash and personally attack a group of people, namely Liberals. It is blatantly dishonest. If you have a beef with Liberals, then you should debate them like I do, that is, by explaining why you disagree with them.

    And you are also wrong in dishonestly attempting to define what Liberalism is. There are actually 2 definitions: 1) Applies to those who would interpret the Constitution loosely, rather than strictly, and 2) What is known as Classical Liberalism, which applies to economics, and not politics.

    Finally, in equating Libertarianism with Liberalism, you show that you have no grasp at all of what either term means.

    Finally? Did I really say that? Because I am not done here. It is you who is redefining terms, making it all up as you go along, and of course, the motive for doing so is out of hatred for those who don't believe the same things you do, and nothing more. For crying out loud. Reagan and Tip O'Neil used to drink a beer together at the end of each day because they both recognized that the other was also American, and just as deserving of respect. Looks like all that mutual respect, and acknowledging each other as Americans and not scum has completely gone out the window. Your post is a classic symptom of what ails America.

    OK, NOW I am done.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    oops, now who will the liberals hold up as a shining example of how communism is such a wonderful system?
    Where do you see liberals holding up Cuba as a shining example of communism or even advocating communism?

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    so the liberals who aren't liberals, the progressives who alternately apologize for and condemn, the folks from whom every word they utter is an excuse for ever more govt reach into and control over our lives, all for sake of some malthusian vision ala plato's searcher in his cave, now dig for distinctions of doctrine and delicate differences of dogma to divide them from all those flawed individuals who came before to completely muck up this perfect ideal simply by implementing it so incorrectly...

    once more, as always, it all comes down to character

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    There was nothing "Leninist" or "Stalinist" about what happened in Russia/USSR.
    oh, really?

    do go on

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I strongly disagree with you here. The textbook definition of Fascism IS corporate control. The definition that calls Liberals Fascists is a made up one, designed only to bash and personally attack a group of people, namely Liberals. It is blatantly dishonest. If you have a beef with Liberals, then you should debate them like I do, that is, by explaining why you disagree with them.
    Technically, Fascism came from the left.
    And you are also wrong in dishonestly attempting to define what Liberalism is. There are actually 2 definitions: 1) Applies to those who would interpret the Constitution loosely, rather than strictly, and 2) What is known as Classical Liberalism, which applies to economics, and not politics.
    Let me illustrate a difference in thinking...What is really ironic, is that conservative order promotes individual freedom, and liberal chaos reduces it.

    The conservative mindset/philosophy is to seek an absolute that sets a standard. Something that is consistent across the board so that there is a defined guide from which policy, laws, etc. can be developed.

    The liberal philosophy rejects a fixed, objective standard and rather goes with a flexible, floating, relativistic standard. Frequently, the law or policy is derived first and then the standard is created.

    The classic example is interpretation of the Constitution. The liberal philosophy says it is a living document, i.e. the framers intent is not used to determine the meaning, rather the current desire is the interpretive factor.

    Conservative philosophy goes back to what was written at the time, the debates, the rough drafts, the comments of the time to determine the original intent.

    Chaos v. order, or flexibility v. rigidity. Liberal chaos/flexibility causes fluidity. What was legal yesterday is illegal today, but might be legal again tomorrow. The 2nd Amendment affirms the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Only the "people" really means the state and the founding fathers never envisioned semi-full-automatic firearms, so they aren't protected.

    Versus the conservative thought that "people" means the people, not the state, and arms means arms. Not flintlocks.

    The political left has also been very successful in associating the political right with nazism and fascism. If you tell a lie long enough, people will believe it. Just look at how the NAZI machine conforms to the modern left. If you take out the uniforms, the German language and the genocide (for now, lol) and you get the American left. Control of industry, schools, indoctrination of the youth, class warfare, confiscation of the property of the targeted class, etc. And do it all for the people.

    Finally, in equating Libertarianism with Liberalism, you show that you have no grasp at all of what either term means.
    What I said Conservative positions should logically be called

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Conservative philosophy goes back to what was written at the time, the debates, the rough drafts, the comments of the time to determine the original intent.
    absolutely correct

    american conservatism looks to the founding fathers, hardly to anything arising outta modern europe

    the mere thought is laughably absurd

    The political left has also been very successful in associating the political right with nazism and fascism.
    no, not beyond 8th grade

    your post is a masterpiece
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Not that this bit is my argument, but it has to be said that you're right.

    Apart from the likes of the Founding Fathers, American Conservatism indeed doesn't look to anything coming out of Europe!

    Hmmm......
    That doesn't sound right! Let me think on that awhile!
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    fascism is even more an economic model than it is political and social

    it is a war economy geared to all out war production which amps growth

    as such, it envisions a very strong central direction of production to ensure guns over butter, military over consumerism

    fascism is as alien to american thought as conceivable

    a bedrock american value, for example, such as 10th amendment states rights is largely beyond the comprehension of the totalitarians we defeated in the biggest war

    fascism also pursues a radically aggressive foreign policy, again violently contrary to the character of america's conservative roots, 200 years of values, convictions and traditions

    traditional america-firsters are strongly, even extremist, isolationists

    neocons, a term many toss without understanding, in dramatic contrast to their more genghis con cohorts, envision a very activist foreign policy, especially in the mideast

    but then, the kristols and cheneys are vigilantly activist and protective of that certain major player over there whom we are not at liberty to name on these pages

    most fascists, you realize, hold a rather redly different view of those chosen

    the ussr, that great and noble experiment which failed hundreds of millions of once free, happiness-pursuing humans, shared the fascists' fascination with guns over butter

    but then that's only because you weren't running it

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    I heard about this on NPR and I think it's fantastic. It was interesting because they interviewed a Cuban who now lives in London. He agreed that the communist model had failed and the Cuban people were victims of Castro's system. But they asked him if it was worth trying and he said "absolutely." I think that's very, very interesting. I have to agree with him. It's not like Hitler, where his brand of socialism didn't resemble socialist principles one bit. What Castro did in Cuba is execute a pure brand of communism, let it play out, and it failed. It's a wonderful lesson for the world and political thinkers everywhere. It's just very sad that the Cuban people were the victims of this experiment.
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