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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Communism espouses that the transition from capitalism happens over time, firstly. Hence revolutionary changes in Russia and other countries are deemed leninist or stalinist as they digress from this.

    Did I lurn you sumtin?
    There was nothing "Leninist" or "Stalinist" about what happened in Russia/USSR. Historical events such as the Russian Revolution and its aftermath are much broader than simple ideological expositions.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    michael moore has embraced communism as the appropriate political form for cuba. would you please source that so that we can see this is not something you have made up out of thin air
    Sicko? You know, the Sicko Michael Moore movie on the fantastic single payer healthcare in Cuba.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    1) Fascism is corporate control of government.
    Shifting of words..... Conservative positions should logically be called liberal or libertarian as they generally favor the rights of the individual, personal responsibility and an aversion to authoritarian controls and interference.

    "Liberals" hijacked the term because they wanted the perception of liberty when a more accurately descriptive label would be socialist, fascist, communist, etc.

    It happens all the time.... "gay" use to mean being light hearted, happy, etc.

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Did I lurn you sumtin?
    Classic invalidation tactics. The so-called 'far right' opposition are ignorant cranks whilst even the communists are logical and fair.

    What's also beyond many leftists is that in order to have communism you need the violence and oppression to keep people down. As an earlier poster pointed out, communism in theory can't go without it in practice because it bucks nature.

    Hence every single communist regime behaving the same.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Hence every single communist regime behaving the same.
    ORRRRRRRR, and I know this is a big step for you, perhaps it has to do with Soviet involvement in the creation of these regimes and their adoption of the Soviet model...
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic_Of_Public View Post
    Classic invalidation tactics. The so-called 'far right' opposition are ignorant cranks whilst even the communists are logical and fair.

    What's also beyond many leftists is that in order to have communism you need the violence and oppression to keep people down. As an earlier poster pointed out, communism in theory can't go without it in practice because it bucks nature.

    Hence every single communist regime behaving the same.
    Some bug has sortof bit you. I never mentioned the far left was fair, I even went so far as to say that communists do reside on the far left of things and they even have some sympathisers. Also, communism says nothing about a necessary police state. You're preaching ignorance and hellfire.

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Sicko? You know, the Sicko Michael Moore movie on the fantastic single payer healthcare in Cuba.
    that was about that availability of universal healthcare in a third world communist country in contrast to that available in the world's leading economy
    nice reach, but still no embrace of communism by michael moore ... despite his pointing to the cuban medical system as a good standard of care for a population

    keep trying
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    I know this is a big step for you, perhaps it has to do with Soviet involvement in the creation of these regimes and their adoption of the Soviet model...

    Not every regime was the Soviet model, though the hard left bullies in Moscow forced the satellites under the thumb and kicked out Tito when they had the temerity to consider accepting Marshall Aid.

    Mao's China and the USSR were so split over their tenets that Richard Nixon took the chance to woo the Chairman and hoped to divide the Communist world.

    And I'd hardly say that Cambodia's regime much mirrored the USSR of Breshnev.



    Also, communism says nothing about a necessary police state.
    It's what it does though. Saying and doing can be totally different concepts amongst the great fraudsters of history.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Shifting of words..... Conservative positions should logically be called liberal or libertarian as they generally favor the rights of the individual, personal responsibility and an aversion to authoritarian controls and interference.

    "Liberals" hijacked the term because they wanted the perception of liberty when a more accurately descriptive label would be socialist, fascist, communist, etc.

    It happens all the time.... "gay" use to mean being light hearted, happy, etc.
    Liberals never hijacked anything, the terminology in politics have shifted for themselves. Please not fascist and communist lie on different sides of the spectrum, the modern political paradigm does not fit into traditional political conservatism/liberalism. You got a source for gays 'stealing' the term for themselves?

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Well, it appears many responders to this thread have ADHD and cannot stay on topic. Regardless, Castro has known what he has finally admitted for many years now. About 5-years ago, I believe it was, Cuba began leasing farm lands to privatize some of the countries agriculture, they found that this was the only way that Cuba could meet it's food needs and they have been inching that way ever since. Communism is an utopian idea that is never attainable in reality, contrary to what many have foolishly spewed onto this thread, there has never been a real communist nation on this planet. The closest that we have even witnessed to a truly socialist state is in European nations currently and they are having many problems maintaining that. Castro and all the others will realize that though equality has a very nice ring to it, human nature will never allow such a system to come to be, it is impossible and always doomed to failure. I would very much like to see Cuba return to the international market and am excited to watch it modernize and rise-up from the ashes of failed state.

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