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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    *sigh* Communism BY DEFINITION has everyone completely and utterly equal. Thus..these governments you are talking about are NOT communisms. You can call them communisms. You can call them flutergorks if you want. It does not make them that. China is offically The People's Republic of China. Is it a Republic? Get over the communist thing guys. Its old Hat. And republic, I honestly dont much care what other lefties may or may not have said to you. I can disagree with them just as much as I disagree with you. If some right winger said something totally outrageous, should I point it out to you, as though saying, that since you are a right winger too, you must agree with them? Have a sense of proportion. If that picture is you, then you are not even old enough to remember the days of a communist block. This is not to say that you cant have valid points to make, but I DO remember. I remember it very well. I was stationed at Templehoff in Berlin serving in the Air Force in 1989 when the wall came down. So do not presume to fit this ex military, very patriotic, left winger into whatever pigeon hole you choose to put left wingers into.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by opinion8tdwench View Post
    China is offically The People's Republic of China. Is it a Republic?
    Considering that the definition of a republic is any system of government that is not a monarchy, yes, the People's Republic of China is, indeed, a republic.

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    ...ex military, very patriotic, left winger...
    I'm not putting you into any pigeon-hole. And I am old enough to remember communist times, though it was something far away.

    As mentioned in my Communists thread, half my family are Polish, with my grandmother and her friends refugees from both Nazi and Communist occupation. So we know a thing or two in our house.

    And besides, to flip the tables on the point you made, if you're such a patriotic left-winger then why go to all the bother of trying to de-tarnish communism's reputation? Though a conservative, I wouldn't dream of speaking up for Nazism with such vigour.


    Communism BY DEFINITION has everyone completely and utterly equal. Thus..these governments you are talking about are NOT communisms.
    And as I say, the theory can say what it pleases about absolute equality. But nature isn't like that, with people different and unequal. So in order to have a operable communism, you NEED tyranny and oppression to have as many people as possible set on the lowest common denominator. And you need a bloke in charge, especially with a doctrine so easily open to abuse, lacking common sense and all the checks and balances needed to keep the loonies at bay.

    No amount of attempted rehabiliation will change that. Hence the fact that Soviet Russia and the others gave us THE ONLY MANIFESTATION OF COMMUNISM POSSIBLE IN PRACTICE.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Wow, apparently Michael Moore represents the view of all liberals. That's tough for me, since I don't think I've seen any of his films.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    I don't really see what Fidel says about Cuba has to do with communism. Fidel was a political leader that postured with the USSR-bloc during the cold war. He isn't a Marxist theoretician. Besides, he's basically just going senile at this point.

    So again, who cares?

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Fidel was also recognised as a valid representative of communism by every nation in the world.


    BTW it's great to see all the trolls out in full force in this thread, sort of lets me know who to block.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Fidel was also recognised as a valid representative of communism by every nation in the world.
    Lol I didn't know that every nation in the world was ruled by Marxists.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by opinion8tdwench View Post
    Lets imagine a society where everyone was treated equally, and all people had all the things they needed to live a peaceful and happy life. All property is owned by all people, and all people share equally.
    I do not know a single person, either far right, or far left who does not feel that such a society would be a pretty damn nice place to live.

    The problem is, and what Fidel has learned, as well as countless other "communist" leaders, is that it is simply NOT possible. Oh sure, if you had maybe 20 people completely isolated on an island somewhere, and they decided to form a communal type of society, they might manage it for a while, but eventually person number 12 would decide that person number 3 wasnt quite doing his fair share, and the fighting would commence.

    The word communism is thrown around a lot. Castro WANTED a communism. The Soviet Union WANTED to be communist. But neither of them ever managed it. Communism is simply not possible in a society of any real size. It defies what we are. We cannot ignore human nature, and human nature always wants more. So lets call a spade a spade, shall we? Cuba was a fascism. The Soviet Union was a Fascism. There has NEVER been a communist govt. Communist ideals, perhaps. But they never managed it..because it can't be done.

    You wont find one much more liberal than I..and I know this very simple fact. So keep your petty generalizations to yourself.
    1) Fascism is corporate control of government.

    2) The Soviets and Cuba did not allow corporations. The State ran everything.

    Therefore, your post makes no sense at all. We could call Cuba and the Soviet Union dictatorships of a sort, though, because that's what they were.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Lol I didn't know that every nation in the world was ruled by Marxists.
    No, and thank God (or whatever you believe in). But you need not be a Marxist to recognise Castro. Like a malevolent version of Churchill, he was an internationally famous, pipe-smoking political icon!

    From America to Russia to Britain to China to Australia, Castro was recognised as the Cuban communist who kept the peasants in bondage, in exchange for removing the American Fruit Company who apparently kept the peasants in bondage!

    Go figure, as the Yanks say.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    As of yet this thread has been good for one thing and that is exposing the fact that the far right is infected by a political mania in where it must fill in what the left believes. Yes, the far left likely does this too, but I've never seen it to such a conspiratorial extent. Communist leftists exist, at least those we see on this forum seem to be academian. Also the concept of what communism is vs the extremist ideology of revolutionaries and the acts they committed seems to be beyond them as well.

    Communism espouses that the transition from capitalism happens over time, firstly. Hence revolutionary changes in Russia and other countries are deemed leninist or stalinist as they digress from this.

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