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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What? Bust my ass, everyday, then share the fruits of my labor with everyone else; even if they didn't put out as much as I did?

    That would suck ass!
    EXACTLY Apdst!! Because that is the way humans look at things. That is how we are, and that is exactly why communism cannot work. And most liberals are aware of this. Contrary to popular belief.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Can we end the embargo now? Potential market people
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    You dont seem to get it..There is NO SUCH THING as bigwigs or a dictator in a true communism. This is why a true communism has never existed. If there is inequality it is NOT a communism.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

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    Can we end the embargo now? Potential market people
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    There is NO SUCH THING as bigwigs or a dictator in a true communism. This is why a true communism has never existed.
    Funny then how even the likes of the Beatles advocated Cuba's system as legitimate communism. (In 1968, Apple Records' Tony Bramwell sent LPs to Castro and Chairman Mao with a covering letter offering them spoken-word record deals.)


    People in the Left keep going on about how dictators and mass-murderers aren't proper communists. But they all start out quoting Marx and Engels and discover the only way to have ANY kind of communism is to force it from above.

    As you say, Communism works against human nature, so necessitates a tyranny, regardless of what the theory says. It's part and parcel.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Come on guys. Respond to the topic, which is about Castro saying that Communism doesn't work. No need to call people names here.
    Okay.

    To be fair, Castro didn't say that communism in Cuba doesn't work.

    What he said was communism in Cuba doesn't work any more.

    And what I get from the story isn't that Cuba will give up communism any time soon. Rather, there will be attempts to reform their communist system to deal with the current economic global crisis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Later in the article
    Cuba says much of its suffering is caused by the 48-year-old U.S. trade embargo. The economy has also been slammed by the global economic downturn, a drop in nickel prices and the fallout from three devastating hurricanes that hit in quick succession in 2008. Corruption and inefficiency have exacerbated problems.

    As president, Raul Castro has instituted a series of limited economic reforms, and has warned Cubans that they need to start working harder and expecting less from the government. But the president has also made it clear he has no desire to depart from Cuba's socialist system or embrace capitalism.
    So they are going to reform their communist system rather than get rid of it. Hopefully, their government system will eventually go to one with more personal freedoms.

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    But the THEORY is what matters. Communism is now, and always will be, merely theory.It is topic for philosophers to kick around. That is all it can be. You can call a duck a dog, but it's not going to fetch any sticks for you. And yes, some people do still talk about how maybe it is possible..pie in the sky. When I was younger, maybe I was that naive too. But at 43, I am too familiar with how people are to fall for pretty stories. We are what we are, and we need to build a government that takes advantage of our good qualities, works to keep the bad qualities in check, and treats all with dignity, respect and fairness as much as is within our power. This is all we can hope for. It is a work in progress. It will always be a work in progress. Radicals in power, both on the right and the left, hinder this. We need radical citizens, I believe, because this gives us balance. We simply need to keep them out of power. Michael Moore is a radical. He has a place in our society. He gives you someone to make fun of and get all irritated with, and he gives me the abiltiy to say "good god, please don't try to speak for me!" And if you are as conservative as I assume, Sarah Palin fulfills that same role in the opposite way. Lets just make sure that these folks stay out of power, and just keep writing boosk and going on speaking tours.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by opinion8tdwench View Post
    EXACTLY Apdst!! Because that is the way humans look at things. That is how we are, and that is exactly why communism cannot work. And most liberals are aware of this. Contrary to popular belief.
    Then, why do ya'll support a Communist prez?
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by opinion8tdwench View Post
    But the THEORY is what matters. Communism is now, and always will be, merely theory.It is topic for philosophers to kick around. That is all it can be. You can call a duck a dog, but it's not going to fetch any sticks for you. And yes, some people do still talk about how maybe it is possible..pie in the sky. When I was younger, maybe I was that naive too. But at 43, I am too familiar with how people are to fall for pretty stories. We are what we are, and we need to build a government that takes advantage of our good qualities, works to keep the bad qualities in check, and treats all with dignity, respect and fairness as much as is within our power. This is all we can hope for. It is a work in progress. It will always be a work in progress. Radicals in power, both on the right and the left, hinder this. We need radical citizens, I believe, because this gives us balance. We simply need to keep them out of power. Michael Moore is a radical. He has a place in our society. He gives you someone to make fun of and get all irritated with, and he gives me the abiltiy to say "good god, please don't try to speak for me!" And if you are as conservative as I assume, Sarah Palin fulfills that same role in the opposite way. Lets just make sure that these folks stay out of power, and just keep writing boosk and going on speaking tours.
    It's not a theory. It's been proven, that it doesn't work.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Let me say it big and loud - The THEORY and the PRACTICE are JOINED! You can't have one without the other!






    Judging Communism in practice, even since the end of the Cold War, is a far more reliable arbiter than wading through different editions of pulp theory. So let's take a look at a few of Communism's great world statesmen:



    STALIN - The granddaddy of them all. Took over the oppressive, murderous and backstabbing Soviet domination over the other so-called Peoples' Parties where Lenin left off. Killed people in all he did, even when trying to build a modern industrial economy. One-time ally of Hitler and imperialist who imposed the Iron Curtain. Responsible for up to 51 million deaths due to famine, purges, incompetent war leadership and imposition of political opinion. Almost succeeded in instigating a Hitler-style pogrom before ill health brought upon his death. Communist world obliged to mourn his passing.








    KRUSCHEV - Incompetent successor to Stalin who almost crashed the world into nuclear war due to paranoia, smuggling rockets and warheads to bases in Cuba. He also plunged Russia into an embarassing bread famine, built the Berlin Wall to keep citizens from escaping the Socialist Paradise and continued Stalin's starvation of Ukranian peasants by confiscating their grain and selling it to the West. Shared in Stalin's death toll as his right-hand man during the Purges.








    MAO TSE TUNG - Instigator of various 'revolutions', each drenched in the blood of millions. Hated any kind of authority and education outside his personal remit. He even created a rift between China and the USSR due to a control-freak personality usually a boon for a Communist leader. Killed up to 70,000,000 or more innocents.










    POL POT - Deranged gang leader who caused Cambodia to revert to the Dark Ages, forcing city dwellers to live in communes, killing the educated and those wearing spectacles. Spent his last years skulking in a jungle to avoid punishment. Death toll: 2,000,000.







    CEAUCESCU - Romanian despot who impoverished his country, yet built Europe's most grandiose palace as his people starved. His only real successes were to organise constant self-tributary parades, plus to talk Britain's LABOUR government into swapping valuable military hardware and plans for pig iron, rotting fruit and the contents of Romania's scrap yards. (He even made them feel pally enough to have them give him a State visit and honourary scientific doctorate for his wife!) Was finally deposed by the People and shot after a military trial for genocide and the brutal treatment of his people at the hands of the Securitate, a secret police even Ceaucescu referred to as 'terrorists' at his trial. Deaths on his non-existent conscience: 60,000. (A comparitive moderate!)








    CASTRO
    - The darling of the West's deluded campus bores, whose clean tap water (!) and efficient school indoctrination system earns him their undying devotion. Even The Beatles approached him for a record deal in 1968, yet his Communist system is at least as oppressive and murderous as another, especially worse than the system of government he replaced. He was a co-conspiritor in teh secret plan to transform Cuba into a nuclear war launch base in the anticipated kick-off of World War 3. Rose to illegal power on the promise to turn each Cuban into his own landowner, yet they starve and are exploited year on year. The shooting of dissidents and perceived enemies started in 1959 and never truly ceased, bringing the small island's body count to a hefty 97,000 in total.



    (Is that why 23 Labour MPs recently signed an early Day Motion in Parliament PRAISING Castro
    for his 'achievements', as well as Harriet Harman herself calling him a 'hero of the Left'!?)




    ...And so on. From General Jeruzelski who installed a brutal Martial Law to quash the needs of the Polish workers, to Honicke who imprisoned the East German people in his own rotting Stasi-based slave state to Kim Il Sung who pestered Stalin into letting him start the Korean War, there is NOT A SINGLE COMMUNIST LEADER who provided the egalitarianism, freedom and Democracy which the Far Left always breaks its promises on!


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...post1058780044






    ....And lefties on that thread told me the roundup of murderous communist leaders was 'annoying', with the death tolls 'irrelevant'!
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