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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Julia Sweig, a Cuba expert at the Washington-based Council on Foreign Relations who accompanied Goldberg on the trip, confirmed the Cuban leader's comment, which he made at a private lunch last week.

    She told The Associated Press she took the remark to be in line with Raul Castro's call for gradual but widespread reform.

    "It sounded consistent with the general consensus in the country now, up to and including his brother's position," Sweig said.

    Link: Castro: Criticism of Cuban System Misrepresented - CBS News
    Why if asked by the Cuban model he responds by referring to another model?

    So, when he says Cuban model he means the capitalist system, and when he says we are concerned he means the U.S.

    And how it is that not even one of the Castroites was able to understand the "true meaning" of the words of the tyrant, before he made this "clarification"?

    He reversed his previous statement. A lapse, a slip? It happened to him what almost never happened before, he is already old. His rectification is incoherent and it does nothing more than confirm what the journalists interpreted.

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by freemycatfish View Post
    "Why are communist killers are considered Chic today? People seem happy to wear TV shirts of Che or Mao yet few would dare wear a Nazi Swastika or picture of Hitler on a TV shirt? Is it simply a lack of education" RoP

    I think you hit it in one. The lefties of the great Cultural Marxist movement now plaguing all Western societies for the short term future hit two targets simultaneously when they emerged from the Soviet underground in the States back in the late fifties and early sixties. The first was an infiltration of the media and the second was an infiltration of the education system. They did the same thing here in the UK and everywhere else their crud soiled feet have trodden. There was a purpose behind this move of course. To promote political correctness through the press and to dumb down students and educational standards because they need lots of thick, stupid people to vote for them. Smart people will not.

    Having infiltrated education they began to re-write history and to make everything that is politically to the right of themselves into something to be either despised, dismissed or something to feel guilty about. Brainwashing kids is what all totalitarians love to do.

    At the same time as the PC brigade were selling their version of Frankfurt School doctrine to children and later to the whole population, feminists were moving in on -- and taking over -- the whole domestic violence issue and using it as a platform to attack marriage, the family, men and the Christian Church. Every single one of the early feminist leaders was a Communist member and their stated aim was the destruction of the western economic system through the destruction of the family. It was the feminists who introduced the concept of the "new man" alongside the false, "new family." Exactly as they had done in Russia itself for the previous seventy years with catastrophic results on the people. As ever, claiming to love the people while crapping from a great height all over them!

    Astoundingly the right wing let themselves be distracted by the old trick of the left ruining the economy every time they got into power. This focussed the right wing on fixing it and not on what the Neo Marxist left were doing to destroy the country. By the time the right wing realised what was going on, they had themselves been infiltrated up to the eyeballs!

    Only Maggie Thatcher was clear on "the enemy within" and even she underestimated the scope of their infiltration. She should never have stopped with the union barons. Had she gone on into the education system, the media (broadcast and print -- especially the BBC and Channel Four) and swept what is now the domestic violence industry and social work fields clean, Britain would have been almost clean of the Marxist rats by now and Labour would have been reduced to what they really are; the great has-beens of history.

    However, it would be wrong to lose hope because there is a huge anti left resurgence happening. Even the young are waking up to what has been going on. In the meantime, for all those out there who have not had their brains fried by PC bull**** false guilt and fear, here is a little film you might not have seen but which the left are strangely quiet about. Oh, and as you watch it, it will probably occur to you to no longer think that the extremes of left and right in politics should be thought of as a straight line with the left at one end and the right at the other. (If you have that is). Rather, they should be thought of as at the ends of an almost closed circle. Keep an ear open for the origins of the "new man" idea. Enjoy! The Soviet Story w/subs Video

    P.S. The lefties among us keep trying to take this movie down but it just pops up in other places. That must drive them nuts!

    Oh. Just so everyone is very clear. To me, Nick Griffin is a total moron who belongs in psychiatric care. His thug bodyguard belong in jail and the BNP are a waste of the air they pollute. On the other hand, half of the Labour party should be in jail for treason. Most of the other half should be there for corruption, perversion and sedition. The Lib Dems should all be forced to live in Camden as penance for wasting everyone’s time and inflicting that Clegg bloke on us. Come to think of it, most of 'em probably aready do.
    Well said! You have those clueless Leftists nailed. There's going to have to be a complete revamp of the educational systems in all the Democracies if they are to survive. Maybe Democracy was just a brief blip in the the world's history. It's still too early to tell but, from what we have seen recently, the odds of it surviving ain't great.
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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by GodsWrath View Post
    what are you implying? capitalism works?

    i suggest u look into something called The Great Depression.
    And you've looked into it. Godswrath?

    I think not.

    Still think it's a battle between Communism and Capitalism, huh?

    Have another Kool Aid.

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    I love it when we are so busy over whether or not capitalism works that we cant make serious conversations about reform.

    Just because we are capitalist does not mean SSI and Medicare aren't good ideas
    Just because China is communist doesn't mean they can't compete in a globalized market. (The money for infrastructure and investment come from the govt central bank rather than the private sector)

    I am most certain this is all Mr. Castro is trying to say. Not whether or not communism is right, but rather there are things that can be done to make it better.

    I must admit though, calling libs names at the beginning of this thread and arguing whether or not capitalism works at the end of this thread are entertaining stretches!
    You think Communism is all about Medicare and SSI??

    That's like saying Nazism was all about building the Volkswagen!

    Well over 100 million people died as a result of Communist dictatorships and you submit that it was all about Medicare-like social programs?

    The entire educational system in the free world needs a complete overhaul. There is no excuse for these sort of beliefs to be out there.

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    "However, at the same time the government has announced that workers will be encouraged to take over the ownership of the companies in which they work. In a move that the government has actually called a deepening of socialism, the Cubans are about to launch what could potentially become the biggest co-operative project the world has ever seen.

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    The government is saying that the old centrally planned Soviet-style of socialism has finally hit the buffers – a new form of socialism is required, in which the state ceases to be the administrator of economic activity but the regulator. That's a different model of socialism – it may not work either – but it is not capitalism."
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    Apparently you live in a cardboard box. These have been around for ages, they are called employee owned corporations. Here is an example of one in the states, CH2MHILL

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Apparently you live in a cardboard box. These have been around for ages, they are called employee owned corporations. Here is an example of one in the states, CH2MHILL
    I doubt anyone minds employee owned companies, but only when it's voluntary.

    The "employees" in Communist countries certainly never felt like 'owners'.

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I doubt anyone minds employee owned companies, but only when it's voluntary.

    The "employees" in Communist countries certainly never felt like 'owners'.
    Because getting everyone to work for these employee-owned companies would never happen voluntarily. It's why communist regimes must necessarily be repressive. How else would you make sure that everyone works to a certain productivity level unless the risk of being paid less is present and why work more if you're not going to be paid for it? And if you don't like that company, though, apparently you have to work for it. Communism as being a peaceful state is nothing but a pipe dream.

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The Great Depression happened because government interfered in markets, basically unleveling the playing field for all, and tilting it in favor of an elite few. That is also the reason that the melt down we are seeing today is happening. Perfect Capitalism, with no government intervention would eventually result in a Utopia. The reason Utopia hasn't happened is because government didn't give it a chance. They just stuck their noses where it didn't belong, and all hell broke loose.
    Unchecked capitalism makes for situations like in Upton Sinclairs Jungle. It makes for unregulated profit exploitations. It makes for 60 hour work weeks. No overtime. Children working. Monopolies. Price gouging.

    You just argued that when you put the market in the hands of the elite few, like the government did (supposedly) prior to the GD, capitalism fails. Well imagine if there was no regulation of those elite few. What if the elite few were the only ones who's opinion counted? Thats what happens when you take the government out of play.

    Now, you may be right. Maybe the government should have nothing to do with the economy. But if you want that, don't blame Obama for not fixing the economy. But if thats the way you want it, I can't wait until Walmart will build our roads, Christian churches will teach our schools, and only those who have hiring power make ALL the rules.

    Unchecked capitalism sounds like utopia all right!
    and so it goes...

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    Re: Fidel latest to say Cuba's communism doesn't work

    upton sinclair...

    LOL!

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