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US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

Do those assholes have a right to burn a Koran or a pile of Koran's under the 1st Amendment?

Yes or no?

Arg- crappy day to have brainfreeze!
There was a situation (vague memory of details, here) - in which the SCOTUS decided that something is only evident of 'clear and present danger' if it directly leads to violence or harm
I think it started when a anti-semite was in a Jewish neighborhood trumpeting that the Nazis were right to exterminate the Jews.

But the court determined that all he did was give his *opinion* - he wasn't actually telling people to *kill them* so he wasn't actually inciting violence against them - since no one was hurt because of his words - he had the right to this free speech.

I'm so scratchy on the details - I'll have to look it up.

(I know that there are several cases on this issue in various natures - Nazi, etc - but I'm looking for a certain one - no luck yet in finding it)
 
Do those assholes have a right to burn a Koran or a pile of Koran's under the 1st Amendment?

Yes or no?

Oh, I guess I'm not allowed to be sickened by their hatred for our troops because it's THEIR RIGHT.

Kinda like you aren't allowed to be somehow bothered by a mosque inside of some indeterminate distance from ground zero!
 
What the **** does that have to do with anything, champ?

Well, lets see.

There is an Imam who wants to build a mosque at ground zero.
The Imam has a constitutional right to build it, but it's a
Bad idea according to most Americans

There is a Pastor who wants to burn Korans.
He has a constitutional right to do so, but it's a
Bad idea according to most Americans
 
Isn't this just this little guy's 15 minutes of fame?




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Now, before you google it up, guess his age. I bet you won't come close, I know I didn't.

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/terry-jones-pastor-burn-koran-day/story?id=11575665
 
Well, lets see.

There is an Imam who wants to build a mosque at ground zero.
The Imam has a constitutional right to build it, but it's a
Bad idea according to most Americans

There is a Pastor who wants to burn Korans.
He has a constitutional right to do so, but it's a
Bad idea according to most Americans


And that is about all these two things have in common
 
Oh, I guess I'm not allowed to be sickened by their hatred for our troops because it's THEIR RIGHT.

Kinda like you aren't allowed to be somehow bothered by a mosque inside of some indeterminate distance from ground zero!


You and I know this will adversely affect, the mission overseas in many angles. All, the bull**** talk to the "moderate" Afghani about how we are the good guys and their neighbors living down the street from them who ARE raving suicide bombers are somehow "bad" is shot to ****
 
Do those assholes have a right to burn a Koran or a pile of Koran's under the 1st Amendment?

Yes or no?

Absolutely yes they have the right, just like it is our first amendment right to call these people assholes and not Christians for their behavior.
 
Isn't this just this little guy's 15 minutes of fame?




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Now, before you google it up, guess his age. I bet you won't come close, I know I didn't.

HTML:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/terry-jones-pastor-burn-koran-day/story?id=11575665

What does his age have to do with any of this?
 
An eye for an eye leaves everybody blind.

Perhaps the people who have drawn first blood should have thought about that, before they started all this ****.
 
Perhaps the people who have drawn first blood should have thought about that, before they started all this ****.

The ones who drew first blood wanted this. . . and aren't the ones actually complaining.

They can't because they're all dead.
 
Yes, I clearly said it was 'OK'... :roll:

So to protest intolerance, you suggest displaying intolerance as the best route?

The Pastor (who happens to be a real idiot [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_i0J7LH0CA]), said he prayed before making his mind on going through with this ridiculous event. I wonder if he thought of Luke 31:

Do to others as you would have them do to you.

Obviously not.

Some thought should have been given to that passage, regarding the Ground Zero mosque. When people go out of their way to offend Americans, you have to expect this kind of idiocy in return.

Aren't you a supporter of building the GZ mosque?
 
Perhaps the people who have drawn first blood should have thought about that, before they started all this ****.

As if anybody can even say who drew first blood. This has been going on a lot longer than 9/11/01.
 
i would think twice before stating such generalization..

Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks

and plus, do u even know the meaning of Jihad. Jihad refers to "struggle" and an internal one for the first part..

coping with hunger, poverty etc are also forms of jihad...

So when Saddam Hussein had his Islamic leaders called for Muslims everywhere to join his jihad to defeat the "wicked Americans" should they attack Iraq, and then threatened threatened jihad against the United States himself, he was only referring to an internal struggle?

It didn't sound like it.
 
As if anybody can even say who drew first blood. This has been going on a lot longer than 9/11/01.

In the modern era, it probably began with the killing of the Jewish athletes at the Munich Olympics. That was followed by hijackings, kidnappings, the murder of many thousands of innocent people all over the world right up to the killing of four more innocent people by Islamic Jihadists yesterday in Nigeria.
 
In the modern era, it probably began with the killing of the Jewish athletes at the Munich Olympics. That was followed by hijackings, kidnappings, the murder of many thousands of innocent people all over the world right up to the killing of four more innocent people by Islamic Jihadists yesterday in Nigeria.

How absurdly arbitrary.
 
Some thought should have been given to that passage, regarding the Ground Zero mosque. When people go out of their way to offend Americans, you have to expect this kind of idiocy in return.
Then why are you defending it? This Pastor is going out of his way to offend some people and display his intolerance. Some of us pointed at his idiocy.
Aren't you a supporter of building the GZ mosque?
It's barely a mosque in my honest opinion. I've seen at least a few hundred different mosques in my life, and the debate over this is just laughable. It's mainly an Islamic center that will also happen to have a mosque inside. It'll be similar to this center that Hakeem Olajuwon made from an old bank:

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I think that it is great that we can prove to the Muslim world that we have stupid, hateful, religious zealots in the US just like they have.

To the 'minister' in Florida, I would say, "if your god teaches hatred, your god sucks."
 
Well, lets see.

There is an Imam who wants to build a mosque at ground zero.
The Imam has a constitutional right to build it, but it's a
Bad idea according to most Americans

There is a Pastor who wants to burn Korans.
He has a constitutional right to do so, but it's a
Bad idea according to most Americans

Interesting. So, you're in favour of the Koran burning, but not of the Mosque building, right? How does that work?
 
American dream / democracy:

-do not let muslims practice their religion,

-do not let muslims build a mosque anywhere they want,

-do let people insult Qur'an,

-do let people see muslims as 'terrorists',

-do support people to be more respectful others' religion but Islam,

-do kill people in their own country by mistake,

or

- be respectful others and others' religion,

which one is the real American dream / democracy ?
 
Sure it means struggle within but it also means outward struggle and the OUTWARD struggle is actually the primary struggle, inward is secondary. Oh and Mein Kompf also means my struggle...

In premodern times, jihad meant mainly one thing among Sunni Muslims, then as now the Islamic majority. It meant the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims (known in Arabic as dar al-Islam) at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims (dar al-harb). In this prevailing conception, the purpose of jihad is political, not religious. It aims not so much to spread the Islamic faith as to extend sovereign Muslim power (though the former has often followed the latter). The goal is boldly offensive, and its ultimate intent is nothing less than to achieve Muslim dominion over the entire world.

The problem is there is no CLEAR path to paradise in the Qu'ran from doing good or being a good muslim, there is however a GUARANTEED entrance to paradise for muslims who give their life in a jihad to spread Islam. So you tell em which one is superior.

according to former PLO terrorist Walid Shoebat "It is a fallacy that 'jihad' represents an 'inner struggle'. [There are] over one hundred quotes by Muhammad [in the Qur'an] referring to jihad by the sword, by killing, by taking no prisoners, by forced conversion, or by enslavement - [and] only one quote referring to an internal struggle"



Qu'ran 3:169 - And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord
4:74 - Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

haah are you seriously Shoebat? that guy knows nothing about islam...he magically becomes a millionaire over night by all these BS he says about being ex muslim...
you might as well and quote ergun caner while ur at it too...who are you fooling?

what you quoted is from Surah imran talkign about the family of prophet...you completely pulled it out of context...this ayaa can be applied to both internal and external struggle...

and fyi, teh primary jihad is internal, its the only you deal with MOST COMMONLY.. as far as teh external, yes, if you are in battle (under lawful circumstances..meaning you are underattack) then those who are killed fighting for justice and peace will be rewarded? whats the issue? look into America's policies with POW's and soldiers killed in battle..

Islam does not invoke violence, and in fact, states many times that there is no compulsion in religion...

1. [Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed. So can you (Prophet) compel people to believe?] (Yunus 10: 99).

2. [Say, ‘Now the truth has come from your Lord: Let those who wish to believe in it do so, and let those who wish to reject it do so’] (Al-Kahf 17: 29).

3. [So (people) respond to your Lord before there comes a Day that cannot, against God’s will, be averted—you will have no refuge on that Day, and no possibility of denying (your sins). If they still turn away (remember that) We have not sent you (Prophet) to be their keeper: your duty is to deliver the message] (Ash-Shura 42: 47-48).

4. [There is no compulsion in religion: true guidance has become distinct from error, so whoever rejects false gods and believes in Allah has grasped the firmest hand-hold, one that will never break. Allah is all hearing and all knowing] (Al-Baqrah 2: 256).

again, who are you fooling...i feel liek you are iranian, who hates islam because u come from a country who practices a misinterpretted and fogged version of Islam...let me remind you, this is much like the crusades... Iran doesnt' practice the true islam


and plus, there are 1.5 BILLION muslim...do u know how islam even reached indonesia? 8 traders went there, and the ppl were smitten by their honest and character that indonesians began converting by the truckloads...Not a single "muslim jihadist" stepped foot in their land, and now there are more indonesian muslims than there are muslims in the Arab world combined.

look at America...islam is fastest growing religion and most diverse....

is this by teh sword? i live in california. do you see a sword by me? no...maybe its by my camel outside in my backyard..
 
So now the Prez is sticking his nose in this little isolated incident of one person exercising his constitutional right of expression. If Rev. Terry Jones is so wrong and dangerous why can't the radical murderers understand this is only one man? All our gutless leaders are claiming this will be a recruiting tool for Al Quaida and others. Bull! They are USING one act by one man to create and perpetuate a lie saying it is our entire western civilization that is behind this. If our citizens are no longer willing to die for our constitutional rights then burn our flag once and forever may it perish. If the terrorists kick the bloodshed up a notch (and they most certainly will) then let's up the ante at start a wholesale slaughter, ie., winner take all!! "DON'T TREAD ON ME".
 
So now the Prez is sticking his nose in this little isolated incident of one person exercising his constitutional right of expression. If Rev. Terry Jones is so wrong and dangerous why can't the radical murderers understand this is only one man? All our gutless leaders are claiming this will be a recruiting tool for Al Quaida and others. Bull! They are USING one act by one man to create and perpetuate a lie saying it is our entire western civilization that is behind this. If our citizens are no longer willing to die for our constitutional rights then burn our flag once and forever may it perish. If the terrorists kick the bloodshed up a notch (and they most certainly will) then let's up the ante at start a wholesale slaughter, ie., winner take all!! "DON'T TREAD ON ME".

I agree, what could possibly go wrong with systematic genocide.
 
Well, lets see.

There is an Imam who wants to build a mosque at ground zero.
The Imam has a constitutional right to build it, but it's a
Bad idea according to most Americans

There is a Pastor who wants to burn Korans.
He has a constitutional right to do so, but it's a
Bad idea according to most Americans
Wow, those are the only two people in America doing things that they have a right to do, yet what they are doing isn't a good idea. :roll:
 
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